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Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:34 pm
by Lazar
Monroe wrote:Miranda's weapons face mostly front. Whereas the connie seems to be spread out more.
Don't you mean the other way round? The Miranda had 2 aft torpedo tubes and 2 bidirectional phaser cannons, whereas the Connie just seemed to have a couple of phaser emitters over the shuttle bay.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:05 pm
by Graham Kennedy
The Connie also has four phasers on the bottom of the engineering hull.

Connie has 18 ball turrets overall.

Miranda has 12 overall, plus the two big ones which fire forwards only, or so it seems to me.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:11 pm
by Lazar
GrahamKennedy wrote:Miranda has 12 overall, plus the two big ones which fire forwards only, or so it seems to me.
The big phasers seem to have identical fore and aft segments, so I had always assumed that they could fire backwards as well.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:48 am
by Deepcrush
I think you're right. Those look like they should be able to fire both fore and aft. Still, the Connie highly out gun's the Miranda.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:30 am
by Monroe
Lazar wrote:
Monroe wrote:Miranda's weapons face mostly front. Whereas the connie seems to be spread out more.
Don't you mean the other way round? The Miranda had 2 aft torpedo tubes and 2 bidirectional phaser cannons, whereas the Connie just seemed to have a couple of phaser emitters over the shuttle bay.
I don't know you're talking to the only guy on a Trek fanbase website that doesn't actually read most Star Trek threads and thinks ENT was the best series bar none.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:34 am
by Tsukiyumi
Monroe wrote:...and thinks ENT was the best series bar none.
Dear god! :shock:

Someone get this man a psychiatrist, stat! :P

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:05 pm
by Deepcrush
Or life... either one works.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:14 pm
by Graham Kennedy
Lazar wrote:
GrahamKennedy wrote:Miranda has 12 overall, plus the two big ones which fire forwards only, or so it seems to me.
The big phasers seem to have identical fore and aft segments, so I had always assumed that they could fire backwards as well.
It certainly could be the case, but we never see the ship fire backwards in ST II, or any other time that I know of.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:17 pm
by Mark
Well, we see the unrefit Defient in Enterprise fire aft weapons.

Other than that, the E-Nil and E-A COULD be completely unarmed in the aft, which would explain why even though they had weapons working when Khan was chasing them into the nebula, they couldn't shoot at him.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:00 pm
by Graham Kennedy
The refit Ent has phaser emitters above the shuttle bay.

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Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:10 pm
by Mark
So, I wonder why Kirk didn't hit Khan with aft weapons then?

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:36 pm
by Graham Kennedy
No clue. Biding their time until they got into the nebula I guess.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:11 pm
by kostmayer
Was probably waiting till they got inside the nebula, the Reliant still had shields outside of it.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:18 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Aye, it may have been just a waste of power otherwise.

Re: The relationship between the Connie and the Miranda

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:21 pm
by Captain Seafort
GrahamKennedy wrote:The refit Ent has phaser emitters above the shuttle bay.
She had them pre-refit as well, or at least the Defiant did - they were used in IAMD.