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me,myself and I wrote:"She's packing quite a wallop!" <-- The only explanation we ever got.

Captain Seafort wrote:Simple - they were hitting hull-hugging shields, not the hull. Note that through most of the battle only superficial external damage was visible, and it was only after Scotty's warning that the shields were collapsing that serious structural damage occured - the torp that punched a hole through the saucer.

Mark wrote:Actually, we never saw any evidence that Chang's BoP even COULD fire her disruptors while cloaked. Only her torps.

Mark wrote:What I could never understand is, couldn't they SEE where the torps were originating from? I mean, suddenly, a torp is on sensors out of nowhere, I'd spray phaser fire around the first place I saw that torp pop up and at least TRY and get lucky.

GrahamKennedy wrote:I'd say that the fact that we never see the whole cloak-fire ship thing again indicates that Starfleet pretty quickly gained a decisive advantage over these things, though.

GrahamKennedy wrote: I'd say that the fact that we never see the whole cloak-fire ship thing again indicates that Starfleet pretty quickly gained a decisive advantage over these things, though.

me,myself and I wrote:

GrahamKennedy wrote: I'd say that the fact that we never see the whole cloak-fire ship thing again indicates that Starfleet pretty quickly gained a decisive advantage over these things, though.

I recall reading (admittadly a non-canon source, i just don't remember which one) that the bulges on the E-B housed sensor equipment which helped detected those advanced cloaks. I think the cloaking device/sensor war is like the submarine/sonar war. Someone builds a quieter submarine, someone builds a better passive sonar. Someone builds a better cloak, someone builds a better sensor, etc. An intergalactic came of one-upmanship.

Notes : The first major subgroup of the Excelsior class, the Enterprise-B subtype was designed for greater burst speed and manoeuvrability than the standard Excelsior and carried a much more elaborate electronics fit. The intention was to counter the new generation of cloak capable vessels being deployed by the Klingon empire; Starfleet was especially worried about developments which might permit Klingon vessels to fire whilst still cloaked, and it was these in particular that the new type was designed to counter. Wake homing torpedoes were fitted as standard, while plasma detector systems allowed the new ship to locate almost any existing vessel through its cloak. The advanced sensors of the Enterprise-B were also able to engage vessels firing from cloak by automatically locking phasers onto the origin of the weapons fire and almost instantly laying down a pattern of fire on the immediate area before the enemy vessel could change its position. Although the plasma emission weakness was rapidly eliminated from Klingon cloaking devices, the automatic lock and fire system of the Enterprise-B subclass proved so successful in service that by 2310 the Klingons had been forced to abandon the whole idea of firing from behind the cloak and reverted back to using this device purely during approach and evasion operations.

Captain Picard's Hair wrote:

me,myself and I wrote:

GrahamKennedy wrote: I'd say that the fact that we never see the whole cloak-fire ship thing again indicates that Starfleet pretty quickly gained a decisive advantage over these things, though.

I recall reading (admittadly a non-canon source, i just don't remember which one) that the bulges on the E-B housed sensor equipment which helped detected those advanced cloaks. I think the cloaking device/sensor war is like the submarine/sonar war. Someone builds a quieter submarine, someone builds a better passive sonar. Someone builds a better cloak, someone builds a better sensor, etc. An intergalactic came of one-upmanship.

Ahem... http://www.ditl.org/pagship.php?fedexcelsior

Notes : The first major subgroup of the Excelsior class, the Enterprise-B subtype was designed for greater burst speed and manoeuvrability than the standard Excelsior and carried a much more elaborate electronics fit. The intention was to counter the new generation of cloak capable vessels being deployed by the Klingon empire; Starfleet was especially worried about developments which might permit Klingon vessels to fire whilst still cloaked, and it was these in particular that the new type was designed to counter. Wake homing torpedoes were fitted as standard, while plasma detector systems allowed the new ship to locate almost any existing vessel through its cloak. The advanced sensors of the Enterprise-B were also able to engage vessels firing from cloak by automatically locking phasers onto the origin of the weapons fire and almost instantly laying down a pattern of fire on the immediate area before the enemy vessel could change its position. Although the plasma emission weakness was rapidly eliminated from Klingon cloaking devices, the automatic lock and fire system of the Enterprise-B subclass proved so successful in service that by 2310 the Klingons had been forced to abandon the whole idea of firing from behind the cloak and reverted back to using this device purely during approach and evasion operations.

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