ENT's intro

[Mikey]

"meh" for me. I had no issue with the theme of the intro being different from typical 'Trek - I just thought the song was lousy on its own merits. Yes, the images were very "America-centric," but it's to be expected from an American-produced show.

Rochey wrote:
..Where's the first cál ceannann in space?

Say what now? I think they just fixed them, and have drinking water again.

[mlsnoopy]

It was diffrent and it was greate. Untill they showed the enterprise. You know Akira turned upside-down.

[Sionnach Glic]

After reading that, Tsu, I actualy went back to read my post, wondering "why the fuck did I write that?"

[Tsukiyumi]

[stitch626]

[Mikey]

OK, smart guy, what does it mean in English?

[Tsukiyumi]

I'd like to know that myself. It's a melange of mashed potatoes, cabbage or kale, butter, salt & pepper, sometimes with bacon. At least, that's what Wikipedia had to say on it.

[Sionnach Glic]

A rough translation is "white headed cabbage".
It's quite tasty.

[Graham Kennedy]

"meh" for me. I had no issue with the theme of the intro being different from typical 'Trek - I just thought the song was lousy on its own merits. Yes, the images were very "America-centric," but it's to be expected from an American-produced show.

Oh, really? TOS wasn't America-centric at all. In fact I wouldn't call TNG, DS9 or VOY that either. Why do we suddenly expect ENT to be so?

[Captain Seafort]

TOS wasn't America-centric at all.

"Yangs" and "Coms"? Abraham Lincoln? The Cheshire Cat's American?

[Graham Kennedy]

One episode out of 78. 1.28% does not America-centric make.

Look at the TOS crew. Kirk, American. No other main crewmember was. Sulu wasn't, Chekov wasn't, Scotty wasn't, Spock wasn't, Uhura wasn't. And into the minor characters, like Kevin Riley, Transporter Chief Kyle, who were also not American.

Enterprise herself operated under Starfleet, an organisation which was never once referenced as American, or as being remotely close to being dominated by America. The only reference to America I know of regarding Starfleet or the Enterprise is that she was built in the San Francisco shipyards - a reference, incidentally, that never made it to the screen at all. Now true, later Treks had established Starfleet facilities in the US. But then Enterprise wasn't bound by that. Hundreds of years before TNG they could easily have put them anywhere in the world and simply let us assume new US facilities introduced later.

Now look at Enterprise. Archer is American, as is Trip. Hoshi it's hard to tell, but I'd peg her as American but of Asian ancestry. Reed, T'Pol, not American. Mayweather is a boomer, but sure seems American in origin too (his father was seen throwing a US football on the ship, which is thin but about all we have). Starfleet is profoundly American - that I recall we never once hear mention of any other country taking part in it directly. Hernandez on the Columbia is American, as is Admiral Forrest, and so on, and so on.

One of the things that made TOS absolutely stand out is the diversity of the characters. For a 60s show it was practically unheard of to stick such a muti-racial, multi-national cast up there. Now 30 years later Enterprise takes a step back... and that's just to be expected? Why is that?

[Captain Seafort]

One episode out of 78. 1.28% does not America-centric make.

Three episodes straight off ("The Omega Glory", "The Savage Curtain" and Shore Leave"). "Tommorrow is Yesterday", "Assignment: Earth", "A Piece of the Action", "Spectre of the Gun", "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky".

Look at the TOS crew. Kirk, American. No other main crewmember was. Sulu wasn't, Chekov wasn't, Scotty wasn't, Spock wasn't, Uhura wasn't. And into the minor characters, like Kevin Riley, Transporter Chief Kyle, who were also not American.

Bones? USS Enterprise? The other ships - Lexington, Yorktown, Constitution.

[RK_Striker_JK_5]

I loved the intro. The lyrics fit humanity's journey to a tee. And Seafort's right, Graham. TOS has a lot more USA to it, while with Travis and Hoshi, your putting them as Amaericans is tenuous at best. They were tossing a football? So, what? And Hoshi was in the Amazon, IIRC, in the pilot.

[Graham Kennedy]

One episode out of 78. 1.28% does not America-centric make.

Three episodes straight off ("The Omega Glory", "The Savage Curtain" and Shore Leave"). "Tommorrow is Yesterday", "Assignment: Earth", "A Piece of the Action", "Spectre of the Gun", "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky".

Three, then, for a whopping 3.8%. Though how is "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" or "Shore Leave" American episodes?

I'm not suggesting that the show should never mention America at all.

Look at the TOS crew. Kirk, American. No other main crewmember was. Sulu wasn't, Chekov wasn't, Scotty wasn't, Spock wasn't, Uhura wasn't. And into the minor characters, like Kevin Riley, Transporter Chief Kyle, who were also not American.

Bones? [/quote]

Bones I give you, I forgot about him (wow, how did that happen?).

USS Enterprise? The other ships - Lexington, Yorktown, Constitution.

And off the top of my head, Potemkin, Excalibur, Exeter, Galileo, Antares, Hood, Defiant, Valiant, Horizon, Archon, Galileo, Beagle, Aurora, Botany Bay.

[Graham Kennedy]

Oh, and while I'm at it... the Royal Navy has had more ships called Enterprise than the US has. Wikipedia lists no less than 19 of them. And the first one listed was originally a French ship! I freely admit that the writers had the US ones in mind, though.