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To be honest, I liked the basic design of the NX-01. However, I think the design should have had the aesthetics of the Original Series.

I also would have liked to see the Daedelus class. perhaps not the clunky old design that looked like a milk pail, but a TOS version of the Pasteur from All Good Things. That ship showed that the Daedelus class could look good.

Rochey wrote:DBS,
I thought you did a pretty good job at making a 'realistic' ENT era Enterprise.

Why could the creators of the series not think up something more plausable than Akiraprise? Are they that creatively bankrupt?

Because the fans like the Akira. The Powers That Be thought that by using a similar design, made to look somewhat pre-TOS, people would be happy and flock to the show... they were wrong.

Yep. I think that they just miscalculated their fan base. With the benefit of hindsight, they should have seen that while the show should appeal to many people, the group that would make or break the show were the loyal Trekkies. And most of us seem to like ourselves our continuity!

I think that in trying to be instantly recognizable to a mass audience the producers forgot to appeal to their base.

Is it just me or has Trek rapidly been slipping away from the original concept? Look at TNG and then contrast it with the Dominion wars, Voyager and then Enterprise. They're nothing like each other!

Yes, I'd agree mostly with that. What I think is happening is people don't like too much optimism anymore. (this is just my opinion, so it should be heavily salted ). I think that showing a peachy future is often done by showing us that our current way isn't the "Bestest Way Possible In The Universe(TM)", and seeing what more "evolved" humans might be like makes us mad, or otherwise develop self-esteem issues. It simply takes too much effort to watch something and say "Gee, we should try to be more like that..." It is easier to say that "optmistic futures are naive, humans will never act better because it is Human Nature(TM) to be bad"

Now we like "realistic" sci-fi, at least philosophically, if not technically. We love flawed characters, and hate being told we aren't the best. So writers feel more and more pressure to show the "dark side" of the universe. It is no secret that several of the DS9 writers did not buy into the Trek philosophy at all and worked pretty hard to bring it "down to earth". Not to fault them, my primitive human brain loved the Dominion stuff and all the moral angst. But it didn't jibe with me philosophically. If TNG had encountered Section 31, Picard would not have rested until he had Sloane in the brig and shut down the whole operation 8) . In DS9, we say they are the lesser of two evils, so it's okay to compromise our morality to keep us safe .



Oi.

Sorry to rant. If this makes any sense at all, let me know. If it is completely pointless...

Don't worry, you made sense.

I agree with you on most of that.
Also seeing Picard single handedly taking down Section 31 should be the next film. Those guys are a perversion of all the Federation stands for.

they should have made it like the saucer section of the Constitution with the nx type nacells however not as advanced looking it looks like its from the late 24th century.

Preferably they shouldnt have done the show or ship at all. If they did I would have done something that looked like a very segmented ship. Not aerodynamic or stlyish. would be ugly but that what you pay for doing a retro show.

I like the proposal by DBS. It reminds me of the Conestoga (which represents old tech much rather than NX-01).

I also like DBS' concept, although it would have been (fairly) easy, and in complete continuity, to use a Daedalus or something similar. However, as has been said before, continuity never really seemed to be an issue with the Enterprise franchise. I had at one time sent an extensive e-mail to Mr. Kennedy trying to explain how the NX-type design COULD be made to fit in the grand scheme of things - I won't repeat it all here, because the point is this: I hate having to be FORCED to make leaps of logic and faith on my own just to make sense of a show that I'm trying to enjoy.

I always thought that the NX on Enteprise looked great. It was probably the predocessor to the Akira in my mind.

That's the problem - it DOES look great, and like a predecessor to the Akira. Unfortunately, that means that it doesn't look RIGHT. It MIGHT be possible that after the NX, engineers found that the circular saucer of the NX worked better than the sphere of the Daedalus, but that the latters secondary hull structure worked better than the NX-type catamaran; ergo, the synthesis that we saw in the Constitution class. As I said earlier, though, I don't like the fact that the show FORCED me to draw these lines.

I also liked the design of the NX-01. It's a saucer with nacelles stuck to it with some bracing. For a Starfleet design... couldn't be simpler.

Unfortunately, it still takes a leap of faith to put the NX-class into an evolutionary structure with everything 'Trek has shown us before. That's the fundamental issue with Enterprise, and what I'm afraid will be the issue with ST XI - the fact that the producers are willing to sacrifice continuity and a logical flow for "cool" looks and ideas.

Mikey wrote:Unfortunately, it still takes a leap of faith to put the NX-class into an evolutionary structure with everything 'Trek has shown us before. That's the fundamental issue with Enterprise, and what I'm afraid will be the issue with ST XI - the fact that the producers are willing to sacrifice continuity and a logical flow for "cool" looks and ideas.

But... it didn't for me. It looked right-as subjective as that sounds. A saucer with nacelles... simple as simple gets for a Starfleet ship.