Thank God it ended when it did...

Post by **Teaos** » Wed May 07, 2008 11:25 am

That works out fine but then ENT comes and screws things up as usual.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Wed May 07, 2008 12:35 pm

sunnyside wrote:While the situation annoys me. What I think we might be better annoyed with is time travel.

In the origional timeline there were no borg firing at Zephram and all that. So the whole ENT episode wouldn't have happened.

First Contact made a new timeline. For all we know in the new timeline in "Q Who" they have heard of these Borg things, but it just doesn't change time enough that anyone notices when they come back at the end of First Contact.

I mean in all these time travel episodes things have to be a little different when they arrive back in the future. It's just that unless the Federation got wiped out or something they don't bother about it.

Actually that could have been an interesting episode idea. Have a couple minor crew members be different in the new timeline. The people in the origional timeline didn't exist in the universe they find themselves in. Or maybe it doesn't quite work that way.

Very good point. After all, we've already got hard evidence that the universe hopping Trek time travel involves has a habit of making people apparently pop into existence - Sela.

Post by **Teaos** » Wed May 07, 2008 12:40 pm

Time travel is to much of a mindfuck for me to think about. It is treated in different ways so is hard to tie down.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed May 07, 2008 1:05 pm

That's why I like my alternate-universe theory. It can pretty much rationalise all the stupidity we see.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed May 07, 2008 8:59 pm

Rochey wrote:That's why I like my alternate-universe theory. It can pretty much rationalise all the stupidity we see.

You mean chaos-theory, each decision causes a branch-line universe to appear sort of theory? I happen to be fond of that one myself, as it seems to explain more issues than most such ideas.

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Wed May 07, 2008 9:00 pm

Mikey wrote:
Rochey wrote:That's why I like my alternate-universe theory. It can pretty much rationalise all the stupidity we see.
You mean chaos-theory, each decision causes a branch-line universe to appear sort of theory? I happen to be fond of that one myself, as it seems to explain more issues than most such ideas.

String theory mandates the existance of alternate, branching universes, so yeah. I like that explanation as well.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed May 07, 2008 9:28 pm

You mean chaos-theory, each decision causes a branch-line universe to appear sort of theory? I happen to be fond of that one myself, as it seems to explain more issues than most such ideas.

I didn't realise there was an official name for such a theory, but yeah, that's how I see it. They aren't going back in time at all, merely to a different universe.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed May 07, 2008 9:52 pm

I don't know if there is an official name, but that sure wasn't it. It's the official "what Mikey calls it" name.

stitch626 · Post by **stitch626** » Wed May 07, 2008 11:29 pm

Worst thing about time travel, what if you kill a blood relaTIVE BEFORE THEY HAVE KIDS?

OOps, caps lock...

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Wed May 07, 2008 11:36 pm

stitch626 wrote:Worst thing about time travel, what if you kill a blood relaTIVE BEFORE THEY HAVE KIDS?

Ahh yes - the grandfather paradox. The most oft-quoted reason why time travel is probably impossible.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Wed May 07, 2008 11:45 pm

stitch626 wrote:Worst thing about time travel, what if you kill a blood relaTIVE BEFORE THEY HAVE KIDS?

OOps, caps lock...

You wouldn't even need to kill them. What if your great-grandparents met because they accidentally bumped into each other on a crowded street, and you were travelling in time and walked in between them? Oops.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu May 08, 2008 2:35 pm

*sings* "I'm my own grandpa..."

Blackstar the Chakat · Thu May 08, 2008 2:41 pm

stitch626 wrote:Worst thing about time travel, what if you kill a blood relaTIVE BEFORE THEY HAVE KIDS?

OOps, caps lock...

Well paradoxes can't happen therefore they won't happen even if you try to make them happen because that's just how things work.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu May 08, 2008 2:44 pm

If chaos theory isnt true time travel should be impossible.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu May 08, 2008 4:27 pm

Well paradoxes can't happen therefore they won't happen even if you try to make them happen because that's just how things work.

Why can they not happen?