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Re: Quality vs Quantity
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:21 pm
by Jim
Teaos wrote:Okay this has been mentioned in several threads now, the debate of big ships or several smaller ones.
Depends on the purpose. In war, with fight power relative to size, one big ship would be better. However, if not in war, a few smaller, yet capable ships would be better as they could patrol more area. Klingon thinking would be one big ship (There is always a war to start). Federation would be multiple smaller ships (exploration and peace). IMO.
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:43 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Agreed mostly, although the wisest choice would be to have a mix of small, medium, and large vessels.
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:57 pm
by Jim
Rochey wrote:Agreed mostly, although the wisest choice would be to have a mix of small, medium, and large vessels.
I think the question was based on limited resources.
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:02 pm
by Sionnach Glic
In that case, a medium sized fleet of medium sized vessels would be best.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:26 am
by Teaos
Klingon thinking would be one big ship (There is always a war to start).
Yet Klingons seem to have massive amounts of small ships and only recently have built a big one.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:58 am
by Captain Seafort
For most of their history the Klngons seemed to concentrate on medium-large ships (D5s, D7s). It's only recently that they've started using large numbers of small scout/raider ships, supported by a few medium and large vessels.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:34 pm
by Jim
Captain Seafort wrote:For most of their history the Klngons seemed to concentrate on medium-large ships (D5s, D7s). It's only recently that they've started using large numbers of small scout/raider ships, supported by a few medium and large vessels.
Well, back in TOS, they were the big ships. Each new level of upgrade makes the ships bigger.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:40 pm
by Mikey
Remeber, too, that advances in directed-energy weapon power, for the Klingons, REQUIRES an increase in size - disruptors are unable to use coupled emitters, as phasers are.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:45 pm
by Captain Seafort
Mikey wrote:Remeber, too, that advances in directed-energy weapon power, for the Klingons, REQUIRES an increase in size - disruptors are unable to use coupled emitters, as phasers are.
Have you got a canon quote for that? You seem to be getting DITL's canon and speculation sections mixed up.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:56 pm
by Mikey
No, sir, I have no canon, and I do not necessarily take DITL's spec as such. But I do recognize the logic inherent in that line of reasoning - why else would the Federation be the ONLY culture using such technology? Surely the tech has been around AT LEAST since the Ambassador-class; I don't think it could have been kept under wraps this long.
I would certainly concede that position if an alternative explanantion could be found.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:03 pm
by Granitehewer
ps could you two,explain to me,the differences between quantum, photon and transphasic torpedos please?
thanks
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:08 pm
by Mikey
Transphasic: no I can't. Seafort will have to cover that one.
Photon torpedo: uses a M/AM reaction as its detonation.
Quantum torpedo: as I understand it, and hoefully someone will correct me if necessary, uses M/AM reaction to trigger some sort of zero-point or "mini-singularity" energy release.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:11 pm
by Captain Seafort
Simple - the Federation wants variable-setting weapons, rather than the single kill option. We know that hand phasers can do this, from more episodes than can be counted, and we know the main shipboard phasers can do it from "A Piece of the Action". Disruptors apparently don't have this multi-setting ability. Take this quote from "Second Skin":
DAX
Benjamin... those residual
electrostatic charges... they could
also have been left by a disrupter...
or a phaser set to kill.
This tells us that "electrostatic charges" are a byproduct of the dissapearing effect of kill-setting phasers. The fact that the two possibilities of "a disruptor" and "a phaser set to kill" are separated, rather than being refered to together, implies that disruptors have only this setting.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:15 pm
by Jim
Granitehewer wrote:ps could you two,explain to me,the differences between quantum, photon and transphasic torpedos please?
thanks
Different first word.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:17 pm
by Captain Seafort
Granitehewer wrote:ps could you two,explain to me,the differences between quantum, photon and transphasic torpedos please?
thanks
My own interpretation of the weapons are:
PT: goes bang on contact or in proximity.
QT: technobabbles its way through shields and hull, then goes bang.
TT: much the same as QTs, likely an updated version to deal with countermeasures developed against QT technobabble. They may also be dedicated anti-Borg weapons, to take advantage of their tendency to self-destruct if key technology is damaged or malfunctions ("Best of Both Worlds Pt 2", "Dark Frontier").