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Tsukiyumi wrote:The guy may have created 'Trek, but in the end, he was just a greedy, womanizing douchebag.

Plus, he only wrote a few episodes out of how many? It may have been his creation, but it sure wasn't his creativity that made the show great.

I tend to agree with at least part of this. Truthfully, Roddenberry's vision was great, but most of the things he directly wrote were dated and somewhat crappy. Ultimately, when he stopped having creative control, things got to their peak. I've often thought of doing a thread on this, but don't wish to be flamed off the board for it. I respect him in that he's the "Beatles" of Trek, and was monumentally influential for the future of the brand, as the Beatles were for the future of R&R, but I simply find a lot of his stuff to be rather crappy.

Bryan Moore wrote:I love this, and really wish we saw more TOS "Constitution Family" ships around. The fact that we never saw the Saladin/Hermes, etc is quite disappointing, as they're really a great design.

Actually we did see them, albeit very briefly, as computer schemeatics in TMP and TWoK.

Captain Seafort wrote:

Bryan Moore wrote:I love this, and really wish we saw more TOS "Constitution Family" ships around. The fact that we never saw the Saladin/Hermes, etc is quite disappointing, as they're really a great design.

Actually we did see them, albeit very briefly, as computer schemeatics in TMP and TWoK.

Really? I need to watch those again.

From MA:

Hermes:


Saladin:


Ptolemy:

God the guys that Edit MA are fricken awesome.

That's pretty interesting. I guess, technically, they're canonical, then.

True.

Although doesn't the Millenium Falcon pop up in First Contact? Not sure that could count as canon, unless Thadiun Okona has upgraded his ship.

It does indeed. MA again:

that could be a defiant...

Not really - you can see the forward prongs and the semicircular aft hull pretty clearly, and the cockpit if you squint a bit.

Hahaha, Han Solo to the rescue again!

I must say, I can see the potential for a crossover fanfic here...

But that would quickly become a vs topic. Those never end well.

Versus debates will always end well. With green writing and a lock.

Captain Seafort wrote:Versus debates will always end well. With green writing and a lock.