The point is that if Khan was such an Uber genius over looking the Z axis is pretty bloody stupid, sure he had never commanded a space ship before but it picked it up pretty damn quick, realising there is an up and down shouldnt be a stretch for him.
I get your point, and I refute it. Khan's intelligence is not perfect and it can be easily clouded by emotion. If you recall the battle began with Kirk goading him into entering the nebula. After a nasty exchange, Khan loses his chief advisor/son, and now he's pretty damned pissed off. I would say he is not thinking very clearly there.
Intelligence does not equal wisdom. The wise man would have stayed the hell out of the nebula.
Again hard to tell exact distances on the video but they seem to be making decent use of the Z axis, they move up and down that about as much as they move along the X and Y when the battle starts. Considering Kirk only drops up and down a few hundred meters it seems about even.
If you cannot verify then I guess we will have to drop that element of the argument.
Whats the point of this statement? You dont like the way they do modern battles? Well it happens and there is nothing we can do about it. Personally I like both of them. The only thing that bothered me was that the Scimitar was far to agile for its size.
The point is in ST II the ships move slowly, and later on they zip around and like you pointed out, are far too agile for their size. Sure there is nothing we can do about it, which makes me wonder why you made such an obvious statement. Doesn't mean I can't bitch about Star Trek losing an element of it's originality in order to cater to an ADD audience who need speed and pretty 'sposions every thirty seconds.
At least 6, and it used the ones that happened to be in weapons arc, why fire more guns than they need.
To overwhelm the enemy in as short a time as possible.
I proved he was holding back against the E-E so couldnt fire them all against it and he took out the warbirds in 4 shots, when did he have the chance to fire them all?
Perhaps you are right in regards to the lack of opportunity to open up with it's entire arsenal. I just don't see the point in saying the ship has fifty two disruptors, which seems like a ridiculous number to me.
But I concede your point.
Nice, you dont counter my point, you just say you dont like that it happened, tuff s**t, it was shown to be fast and agile and thus it is. You said it wasnt a great ship, I showed it was. You respond by shrugging your shoulders and saying "Yeah well it shouldnt be"
You have a point there. I will say, however, that the only reason it was moving faster than the E-E is the E-E was probably afraid of running into a cloaked ship, while Shizon did not have that fear.
I do notice you totally ignore my points about the high power of the shields and weapons.
Honestly, I forgot to. The shields don't have to be all that powerful, seeing as it did not take nearly as many hits as the Enterprise did. But I will give you the point concerning the weapons.
Worf said he can tell where the weapons fire is coming from but can't lock, this points at the Scimitars cloak being able to activly jam weapons locks. Thus we get them doing what we see, looking at where the ships fire is coming from and firing in that general direction, they get some shots in that way. LaForge said they can't find a way to penitate the cloak so we assume they were trying.
But the point I made is a
good tactical officer doesn't let a lack of lock stop him. Like I said, Chekov did not need a lock to kick ass. Worf (again) is made to look weak an ineffective, which is nothing new outside of DS9. If he is not getting drunk at parties he is getting Klingon zits.
LaForge said they are unable to penitrate it, this would lead one to believe they are trying and failing to break it.
Which makes LaForge a comparitively wussy engineer compared to the likes of Scotty and O'Brien. And you do not ever have to break the cloak, just come up with a way around it. I came up with an idea concerning space chaff (something similar employed in Balance of Terror with a comet's tail). There was also the anti-cloak pulse seen in Voyager. TNG's cast is made to look like idiots. Which I guess was necessary so Shizon did not look even worse.
Also this battle is far more fast pased than the one in TWOK. there is no long (comparitivly) streches with no wepaons fire, there is no time to sit down over a cup of tea to talk about battle strategies. They get ambushed (granted by Picard being an idiot) and then jump right into a fast pased battle.
Geordi and Worf had plenty of time before the battle to address the perfect cloak issue while Enterprise hung over Romulus and Picard spoke with Shizon. What does Worf do in his spare time while deep in Romulan territory with that massive ship just kilometers off the bow?
Geordi was holding the ship together after the core got knocked to hell. Riker ran off to fight a boarding party and Worf did infact nail the Scimitar with a good number of hits considering he couldnt get a real lock.
Again, I am addressing what Geordi did not do before the battle, and that is come up with alternatives to defeating the cloak.
And Riker fighting the boarding party was a joke. Hmmm, they are creatures sensitive to light, I guess he decided to be polite and keep the lights low for them during the skirmish.
But Riker had no ideas either regarding the cloak either before or during the battle.
And Worf should have gotten more hits, IMO. He is supposed to be a veteran tactical officer, fought many engagements during the Dominion war, should have come up with tactical solutions. I expect more of a character that was made to look like such a badass during DS9.
Agreed, Picard was a knob for going into that nebula.
Glad we agree on something.
