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Well, more like shi's taken and passed several acadamy accepted classes but hasn't graduated yet, but hasn't actually been at the acadamy hirself.

How can shi have taken academy classes if shi never went to the academy?

However shi has a 'provisional' rank to reflect hir status as 'captain' of the Shadow Fox

If shi hasn't graduated then hir rank should be cadet.

And, again, respond to my other post concerning captaincy of the Intrepid.

I'm not happy offering any provisional ranks.

Basically, if you want the least reworking Blackstar; your secondary character is 18 years old and a Petty Officer, after 6 months of NCO training at the academy.

Rochey wrote:

Well, more like shi's taken and passed several acadamy accepted classes but hasn't graduated yet, but hasn't actually been at the acadamy hirself.

How can shi have taken academy classes if shi never went to the academy?

On-line courses, duh A lot of schools have that nowadays for stuff they don't necessarily need to interact with an instructer on, like math, programming, ect. It would be unrealistic to assume that something that is available now isn't available in a few hundred years.

And, again, respond to my other post concerning captaincy of the Intrepid.

I think we can wait for Teoas' ruling on that.

I'm not happy offering any provisional ranks

Well, suck it up. I don't remember who it was but someone once said that a compromise is a solution neither side likes, but does agree on.

Basically, if you want the least reworking Blackstar; your secondary character is 18 years old and a Petty Officer, after 6 months of NCO training at the academy

So basically rewrite the entire character? I belive I already stated that is unacceptable. Do you have a learning disability here?

You've got no other choice, really.
Supermanning a person to getting a provisional officerp rank at 10 years old is ridiculous.

I'd like to point out at this time that at least three people haven't signed in yet, that I noticed. To my knowledge, Teaos, Rochey, and Thorin haven't posted their bios yet.

Supermanning a person to getting a provisional officerp rank at 10 years old is ridiculous.

By human standards. It's pure idiocy to assume that every species ages as slowly or quickly(depending on the species) as humans do. The Brikar for example don't reach adulthood until around 40. Hermats have an average life expectancy of only 40 years.

Even in canon species we've seen accelerated growth rates, such as Alexander Rozhenko and the Ocampa

THe ocampa = bad example. they live for 9 years ffs. a donkey lives longer.

Reliant121 wrote:THe ocampa = bad example. they live for 9 years ffs. a donkey lives longer.

The point itself still stands though. You can't judge age by human standards.

Agreed. Its almost like retiring a vulcan at 65 because they are at the human age of retirement.

No, you can't. But to be an officer you must have completed 4 years of the academy. To be a NCO you must have completed 6 months of the academy (IIRC). Choose.

On-line courses, duh A lot of schools have that nowadays for stuff they don't necessarily need to interact with an instructer on, like math, programming, ect. It would be unrealistic to assume that something that is available now isn't available in a few hundred years.

There's a rather large difference between learning computer programming and enlisting in the air force.
While Trek may have such methods for educational purposes, Starfleet is unlikely to have them. Indeed, there has been no mention of them and all officers we've ever seen have attended the academy.

I think we can wait for Teoas' ruling on that.

Teaos has already given his ruling: you're not a captain. Ergo, you must find some other position as the ship will have a different captain.

Well, suck it up. I don't remember who it was but someone once said that a compromise is a solution neither side likes, but does agree on.

Except we're not agreeing.

I'd like to point out at this time that at least three people haven't signed in yet, that I noticed. To my knowledge, Teaos, Rochey, and Thorin haven't posted their bios yet.

I'll get mine up later. I'm still thinking about what my character was doing in the ten year interval.

By human standards. It's pure idiocy to assume that every species ages as slowly or quickly(depending on the species) as humans do. The Brikar for example don't reach adulthood until around 40. Hermats have an average life expectancy of only 40 years.

Even in canon species we've seen accelerated growth rates, such as Alexander Rozhenko and the Ocampa

Then just say that shi was fully mature at the age of 9 and did hir six months in the academy to get an NCO rank. Problem solved.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:

Rochey wrote:Why would a commander be in charge of an Intrepid? We've seen that Intrepids are normaly commanded by a Captain. You'll have to take XO position.

Maybe there wasn't a captain ranked officer available. And we've seen Nebula-class ships normally commanded by captains but we've seen them commanded by Lt. Commanders anyway(The first USS Prometheus and the USS Sutherland).

And the problem with an XO position on the Intrepid-class ship is that Monroe called it first, which means either a)he'll have to take a different position or a different ship which could upset him or b)I'll have to be XO on a different ship and I personally feel that we might be stretching our characters out too far.

I'd be okay either / or. He does have 20 years in Starfleet. But that'd only be ten years from ensign to captain. Stretching it a bit.

Blackstar, for the record I'm all in favor of original characters. They make things interesting. I think what most of us are having a problem with here is the "Wesley Crusher" syndrome of trying to give your character rank and a position without earning them.

The single most important thing I learned when I was in training in the Army was discipline. You cannot learn that in any kind of on line course. What $hit hits the fan, one needs to be able to instantly jump and come down running in the right direction, which is what you learn (if you want to stay alive) first and best. Becoming a leader of men is also something you have to learn. All of this is taken into account in the 4 year acadamy course. Remember, even as an Ensign, you will have various enlisted crewman reporting to you, and there is ALOT to being an officer. This is even more true if you expect to be assigned as the "commander" of the Fox.

If you want to demonstrate your characters naturall abilites, it would be FAR more believeable to have them graduate in three years rather than the full four. We could all most likely live with that, and that would be HARD enough. It's just you can't learn even a fraction of what a member of Starfleet would know in on-line courses.

Look at 7 of 9. She was more competent that say Harry, in his own job field, and she was the most intelligent person on board easily. Yet she never got any kind of provisional rank, right?

Mark wrote:Blackstar, for the record I'm all in favor of original characters. They make things interesting. I think what most of us are having a problem with here is the "Wesley Crusher" syndrome of trying to give your character rank and a position without earning them.

He ruined for everyone.

Look at 7 of 9. She was more competent that say Harry, in his own job field, and she was the most intelligent person on board easily. Yet she never got any kind of provisional rank, right?

Technically wouldn't she had been a civie? That was the kind of thing I was after with Stardust.

I'd be okay either / or

Nice to see somone who's reasonable around here.

Except we're not agreeing.

We? what's all this we stuff? I agreed to it. You guys haven't. I'm trying to come up with a comprimise without comprimising my character design. If you guys could meet me halfway here or come up with an acceptable compromise you would really be helping me out here.

Then just say that shi was fully mature at the age of 9 and did hir six months in the academy to get an NCO rank. Problem solved

Deja vu.

Blackstar, if you NEED to have an officer, you could always use something like while an NCO, was awarded a commission for some reason or other. Then your character could "reasonably" have "won" a commission with some heroics or other, in less time than earned one. Would have to spend some time in Starfleets version of OCS, but it would take less time to train an NCO to be an officer than a raw recruit.

Mark wrote:Blackstar, if you NEED to have an officer,

I never said Stardust needed to be an officer you guys did