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Atekimogus wrote: It is completely unfair I know that but let me tell you my tale of woe and how I came to dislike the sovereign . First seen in First Contact I thought she was really really cool. New ship, beautiful design seemingly very powerful altough smaller than the previous Enterprise. I liked the model and I liked the layout of the ship. Then came Insurrection and the first fight against rather conventional Aliens and no super threat like the borg and it was disappointing. The cream of starfleet design got pounded by Sona-aliens which are compared to pre-warp romulans when their threat level is discussed. Sure they may be super smart but shouldn't an interstellar federation of 150 members be able to field something better than a rather small alien culture we never heard from? Also what did happen to the ship? The beautiful white model of First Contact just looked better, bigger and more real than the very dark coloured ship from Insurrection. True this may be due to the lightning in the nebula but I just did not like the special effect shots of her.
And then came Nemesis. Altough you have here a great space battle you are once again in a position were the supposed height of starfleet design is no match for a ship some slave-rebels on a moon were able to develop. It makes me wonder why the bajorans never just build a super-space ship and kicked the cardassians out, I guess our space vampires are just smarter . The ship itself looks much better than in Insurrection but what happened is that they added a multitude of torpedo-launchers for no reason and without consideration of the ships design imho. What about torpedo rooms etc. you cannot just slap torpedo launcher onto a hull where it would look cool that is not very sensible imho.
I admit though that this is just my opinion and that I therefore tend to dress down the sovereign a bit. I just do not see the super ship in her many others think her to be.

Atekimogus wrote:Thank you for the explanation. If that is the case it makes me wonder why the dominion did use a ramming tactic in the first place. The whole battle one get the idea that the Odyseey is able to stand her ground but is loosing and retreating but if they could have her destroyed with one good torpedo shoot the dominion also must have suffered greatly to fall back on suicide tactics.

Just a side question: I do not want to sound like a complete newbie but does the dominion has/use torpedoes? When I think about it I cannot remember having seen a dominion ship firing one. The DITL page about the attack ship also doesn't seem to have hard data about this....... .

Mark wrote:Hmm........I always wondered about that. Was it a tri-cobalts device, or a similar looking Dominion weapon?

Mark wrote:Similar looking, but it COULD be a "tri-giveashit" bomb as well

Atekimogus wrote:And what is the exact difference between a normal photon torpedo of the current mark, a tricobalt defice and the quantum torpedo? (Aside from the visual effect and the colour?)

Captain Seafort wrote:Tricobalts, according to "The Voyager Conspiracy" are subspace weapons.

Atekimogus wrote:Now wait a minute...I may be completely wrong on this but has the UFP not ruled out subspace weaponry? I do not remember the exact lines in Insurrection but wasn't there something about subspace-weapons beeing illegal?

Captain Seafort wrote:

Atekimogus wrote:Now wait a minute...I may be completely wrong on this but has the UFP not ruled out subspace weaponry? I do not remember the exact lines in Insurrection but wasn't there something about subspace-weapons beeing illegal?

There are two explanations for that; either a) the 2nd Khitomer Accords were signed after Voyager went into the Badlands, or b) they're 24th century WP - illegal but effective, so everyone uses them anyway.

Captain Seafort wrote: The difference between PTs and QTs is unclear, other than QTs are a different colour and are treated as something better. Since there doesn't seem to have been a significant increase in firepower, most people assume that they have better guidance/ECCM/what-have-you, or that they're shaped charges.