Saber class

[Sionnach Glic]

The official model or the one that CB posted. Can you confirm that by screenshots from the show.

The former, and no because I don't own the DVDs. As I said, there was a thread on it a few months ago.

Are you shore that its one tube. To me it looked like it came from 4 diffrent tubes.

Pretty sure. It looked like one to me. Either that, or the tubes are ridiculously close together.

Yes. Becouse the biggest salvo you have from an Akira is 5 torpedos. From the way you are trying to show it, it should be capable of shooting something like 30-40 torpedos. But we have no evidence for that.

We do have evidence for it. We've seen one tube firing 5 torps. We know they have (let's just say) 8 tubes. 5 X 8 = 40 torps per salvo. Therefore, if it has 8 tubes it can fire 40 torps in a salvo.

[mlsnoopy]

Pretty sure. It looked like one to me. Either that, or the tubes are ridiculously close together.

Well how close are the two tube on the GSC or on the conni.

We do have evidence for it. We've seen one tube firing 5 torps. We know they have (let's just say) 8 tubes. 5 X 8 = 40 torps per salvo. Therefore, if it has 8 tubes it can fire 40 torps in a salvo.

One. If its one. And how many the others can fire. Are they also able to fire that many.
But the fact is that the Akira is not used as a longrange torpedo ship, but as a close support ship.

Well the GSC, Nebula and Akira are ships from the same generation. Where on the GSC and Nebula they went with small number of big tubes whit bad covarage, where as on the Akira they went with a big number of small tube but with better covarage. But the amount of torpedos that each can fire is roughly equale.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Pretty sure. It looked like one to me. Either that, or the tubes are ridiculously close together.

Well how close are the two tube on the GSC or on the conni.
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I'd guesstimate about 400 meters on the GSC and about 4 meters on the Connie

[Sionnach Glic]

Well how close are the two tube on the GSC or on the conni.

Not close enough to make it look like one tube firing if two did.

One. If its one. And how many the others can fire. Are they also able to fire that many.

That would be the logical conclusion. Unless there's evidence otherwise, there's no reason to assume the other torp tubes are any different.

But the fact is that the Akira is not used as a longrange torpedo ship, but as a close support ship.

Indeed it is. Just as the GCS is used as a battleship, despite being woefully inadequate for the role. Starfleet's incompetance doesn't mean the Akira is superior in a close support role rather than a torpedo ship role, particularly when we can look and see that it is clearly more suited towards the latter.

Well the GSC, Nebula and Akira are ships from the same generation. Where on the GSC and Nebula they went with small number of big tubes whit bad covarage, where as on the Akira they went with a big number of small tube but with better covarage.

What makes you say that the tubes are smaller? The torps they fired didn't apear to be any different than those fired by a GCS.

But the amount of torpedos that each can fire is roughly equale.

Prove it.

[Mikey]

And how many the others can fire.

What possible basis do we have to assume that all the torp tubes on the same ship have different rates of fire?

Are they also able to fire that many.

I'd take the visual evidence - as Rochey mentioned - for granted.

[Deepcrush]

I think the Akira was the most misunderstood ship in the fleet. No one uses torp boats and we always seem them trying to get up close. Which, seeing their armour and shields is just beyond stupid!

Or that you are misinterpeting the facts. And the Akira is not what you belive it to be.

Well my first thought was its an icecream truck

3 phasers 15 PTLs, what do you think it is?

[Deepcrush]

The Akira always seemed like a capital ship killer to me. With 15 PTLs it would certainly be capable of dealing some heavy damage to a Dominion Battlecruiser, before it would be forced to escape (or before it would be destroyed).

I think you're dead on with this.

Welcome to DITL by the way.

[Captain Picard's Hair]

Well the GSC, Nebula and Akira are ships from the same generation. Where on the GSC and Nebula they went with small number of big tubes whit bad covarage, where as on the Akira they went with a big number of small tube but with better covarage. But the amount of torpedos that each can fire is roughly equale.

In addition to Rochey's point, this would force Starfleet to manage multiple lines of photon torpedo "calibers" rather than one standardized set. The QT has the "excuse" that it's a more advanced and more effective technology, making the need to upgrade launchers worthwhile.

[Captain Picard's Hair]

And, it's GCS, by the way, not GSC.

[Thorin]

Chakat, all those pictures are clearly a fan made model, looks like Bridge Commander. Not really canon

You'd be suprised at how low quality some professional work can be. And I've never seen a BC model that detailed.

I've seen them that detailed, virtually all of the 'one off' ships that are on BC files are that detailed, and even a fair few from the KB mod are.

[mlsnoopy]

That would be the logical conclusion. Unless there's evidence otherwise, there's no reason to assume the other torp tubes are any different.

When looking at the video on youtube. the rollbar each tube fires its own torpedo where the one at the bottom fires more. So there is a reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fsCGSoo2k4

Just as the GCS is used as a battleship, despite being woefully inadequate for the role.

And how exatcly should the most heavaly armed ship of its generation be used. Aren't BS the biggest ships with the biggest guns and with the heaviest armour=shields.

Starfleet's incompetance doesn't mean the Akira is superior in a close support role rather than a torpedo ship role

So a ship that its designiers use as a close support ship. Wich has many small TT for better overalll covarage.

What makes you say that the tubes are smaller? The torps they fired didn't apear to be any different than those fired by a GCS.

In addition to Rochey's point, this would force Starfleet to manage multiple lines of photon torpedo "calibers" rather than one standardized set. The QT has the "excuse" that it's a more advanced and more effective technology, making the need to upgrade launchers worthwhile.

Small. As if You can get 10 T into a GCS tube and one into most of the Akiras.

Prove it.

What possible basis do we have to assume that all the torp tubes on the same ship have different rates of fire?

So I have to prove what.
It has one TT that can fire 4 torpedos. Than it has 4 TT in the rolebar that can fire only one torpedo.
So their is deffinitly more small TT. And so it reasonable to assume that the other TT are also small.

And, it's GCS, by the way, not GSC

3 phasers 15 PTLs

One phaser stip can fire multiple beams. So since when is one long phaser aray weaker than two shorter.

[Mikey]

When looking at the video on youtube. the rollbar each tube fires its own torpedo where the one at the bottom fires more. So there is a reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fsCGSoo2k4

I put my glasses on and watched that again, but the only thing I could determine was that the Akira fired multiple shots from a single ventral point. If you could distinguish separate points of origin on the rollbar, G-d bless you.

And how exatcly should the most heavaly armed ship of its generation be used. Aren't BS the biggest ships with the biggest guns and with the heaviest armour=shields.

It should be used as a battlecruiser. Yes, it was the closest thing to a battleship that Starfleet had when it was made; but the lack of a true battleship doesn't mean that a battlecruiser would be an ideal battleship.

So a ship that its designiers use as a close support ship. Wich has many small TT for better overalll covarage.

No, a ship that field personnel (many of which have been show to be somewhat block-headed) use that way; which may not have any bearing whatsoever on the ship intended role, strengths, or weaknesses.

Small. As if You can get 10 T into a GCS tube and one into most of the Akiras.

Where'd you get that from? By the clip you provided we see that the main tube being fired, at least, works in the way which Graham describes as "pulse-fire;" how does that differ at all from the GCS? (hint: it doesn't)

So I have to prove what.
It has one TT that can fire 4 torpedos. Than it has 4 TT in the rolebar that can fire only one torpedo.
So their is deffinitly more small TT. And so it reasonable to assume that the other TT are also small.

Again, the evidence that the upper tubes are single-shot ones is inconclusive. Plus, there is no relationship demonstrated between the rate of fire and the size of a torp, so there goes that idea. Finally, you told us that we can't assume any consistency about rate of fire between the different tubes on the ship; yet here you are assuming consistency as far as size of torps. By your own earlier argument, this argument falls down.

One phaser stip can fire multiple beams. So since when is one long phaser aray weaker than two shorter.

It's not. But 3<14, even in the future.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

When looking at the video on youtube. the rollbar each tube fires its own torpedo where the one at the bottom fires more. So there is a reason.

Actually it shows that that one rollbar tube, the mid-starboard top tube fired four torpedos before bringing the bottom tube to firing position. This suggest that if anything the rollbar tubes were out of ammunition or were reloading so the ship moved it's bottom tube into position.

On a side note it looks like a Saber was firing topedoes from her dorsal hull firing to her port side at 1:32, just as the main screen comes on line.

[Mikey]

On a side note it looks like a Saber was firing topedoes from her dorsal hull firing to her port side at 1:32, just as the main screen comes on line.

Good pickup. Looks like the leading edge of the dorsal saucer.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

On a side note it looks like a Saber was firing topedoes from her dorsal hull firing to her port side at 1:32, just as the main screen comes on line.

Good pickup. Looks like the leading edge of the dorsal saucer.

Really? To me it looked like the back edge of the center of the aft edge. Although it's hard to tell with such low quality video. And...this is actually on topic I just 611-RT'd a topic