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I know this might be a difficult concept for a NASCAR fan like yourself to grasp, but F1 tracks are all different shapes

I know this is a difficult concept for a F1 fan like yourself to grasp, but there's more to a track then it's shape. Like the material it's made out of, the angle of the track itself(our tracks aren't flat), and the angle of the turns. All F1 tracks are made out of the same material if I remember correctly, and there's barely any changes to how to take on the track during different weather conditions(the heat coming off the track can have a huge impact)

In F1, corners are where you overtake, either directly or getting into position to get through on the next straight. The two favourites are to either outbreak the other bloke, or to wait for him to make a mistake (i.e. missing the apex by a few inches) and charge up the inside. All without shunting your opponent, which would almost certainly put both cars out

*yawn*. That's all interesting I'm sure, but in NASCAR it takes skill to pass your opponent, not luck.

As for strategy, it plays a vast part of any race. Do you have a heavy or light fuel load on the grid? A particularly important question if you get through to qually 3, when you're not allowed to adjust your fuel load before the race. How many stops do you have? 3? 2? Just 1? When do you stop? Do you keep going to try and get into the next window or do you get in asap in case there's a safety car?

Am I the only one seeing the irony that Blackstar's biggest point that makes NASCAR so wonderful is that all the tracks are different shapes... All different sizes of oval, and then F1 only has drastically different size and shaped tracks?

Actually the differnces in NASCAR tracks are far more subtle, like the angle of the track and the corners. One tri-oval has a different angle of enbankment in each turn.

F1 has a pool the size of the world's population,

Pfft...they only have 20 cars or so on the track at any one time. NASCAR has 43 cars on the track

You're joking right? How can you make a 500 mile race on a single tank? And that stuff goes straight out the window after the first caution.

ChakatBlackstar wrote:I know this is a difficult concept for a F1 fan like yourself to grasp, but there's more to a track then it's shape. Like the material it's made out of, the angle of the track itself(our tracks aren't flat), and the angle of the turns. All F1 tracks are made out of the same material if I remember correctly, and there's barely any changes to how to take on the track during different weather conditions(the heat coming off the track can have a huge impact)

Riiight. No changes to race strategy in different weather? Have you ever seen 5 seconds of an F1 race in your life?

*yawn*. That's all interesting I'm sure, but in NASCAR it takes skill to pass your opponent, not luck.

Skill in NASCAR? Driving in a circle. I bet you could tie the steering wheel at a constant angle, keep your foot on the accelerator and read a book.

Actually the differnces in NASCAR tracks are far more subtle, like the angle of the track and the corners. One tri-oval has a different angle of enbankment in each turn.

Most impressive features of a NASCAR track is the same shape but different angles?

Pfft...they only have 20 cars or so on the track at any one time. NASCAR has 43 cars on the track

Congrats at not understanding anything you just quoted.

Thorin wrote:Skill in NASCAR? Driving in a circle. I bet you could tie the steering wheel at a constant angle, keep your foot on the accelerator and read a book.

Pfft. I'd call that a waste of valuable time. Stick a brick on the pedal and go down the pub.

Skill in NASCAR? Driving in a circle. I bet you could tie the steering wheel at a constant angle, keep your foot on the accelerator and read a book.

You've never seen a NASCAR race have you? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You need to slow down in the turns(some of them), floor it in the straitaways.

No changes to race strategy in different weather? Have you ever seen 5 seconds of an F1 race in your life?

there's a differnce between changing for rain, and having to adjust your stratagy because of a 5 degree temperature change

Most impressive features of a NASCAR track is the same shape but different angles?

They're all different shapes, just not as noticable. There are differences in the enbankments, the angle of the turns, the length of the turns, and the length of the straitaways, as well as differences in pit road like where the commit line is. For example, most tracks are easy to get to pit road, however some have their commit lines at the end of turn four which is a pain in the ass to reach.

ChakatBlackstar wrote:

I know this might be a difficult concept for a NASCAR fan like yourself to grasp, but F1 tracks are all different shapes

I know this is a difficult concept for a F1 fan like yourself to grasp, but there's more to a track then it's shape. Like the material it's made out of, the angle of the track itself(our tracks aren't flat), and the angle of the turns. All F1 tracks are made out of the same material if I remember correctly, and there's barely any changes to how to take on the track during different weather conditions(the heat coming off the track can have a huge impact)

You do not remember correctly. They tracks do not use the same material, as I have already said, Monaco takes place on ordinary roads. The weather makes a vast difference to the conditions also. That's why they can't use slicks when it rains.

In F1, corners are where you overtake, either directly or getting into position to get through on the next straight. The two favourites are to either outbreak the other bloke, or to wait for him to make a mistake (i.e. missing the apex by a few inches) and charge up the inside. All without shunting your opponent, which would almost certainly put both cars out

*yawn*. That's all interesting I'm sure, but in NASCAR it takes skill to pass your opponent, not luck.

Outbreaking is skill, knowing where to accelerate and break is a big part of F1, not so much in NASCAR I think.

As for strategy, it plays a vast part of any race. Do you have a heavy or light fuel load on the grid? A particularly important question if you get through to qually 3, when you're not allowed to adjust your fuel load before the race. How many stops do you have? 3? 2? Just 1? When do you stop? Do you keep going to try and get into the next window or do you get in asap in case there's a safety car?

Am I the only one seeing the irony that Blackstar's biggest point that makes NASCAR so wonderful is that all the tracks are different shapes... All different sizes of oval, and then F1 only has drastically different size and shaped tracks?

Actually the differnces in NASCAR tracks are far more subtle, like the angle of the track and the corners. One tri-oval has a different angle of enbankment in each turn.

F1 has a pool the size of the world's population,

Pfft...they only have 20 cars or so on the track at any one time. NASCAR has 43 cars on the track

You're joking right? How can you make a 500 mile race on a single tank? And that stuff goes straight out the window after the first caution.

The maximum length of an F1 race is 305Km (190miles), sometimes slightly shorter. It was until recently not allowed to refuel during the race, that has now been changed. The number of stops a car makes depend upon many things, race strategy being the primary one.

They're all different shapes, just not as noticable.

Yet they're all ovals. Hence it is driving around in a pseudo-circle for four hours. Hence the boredom.
I honestly think I'd rather watch Cricket. At least something happens in that game.

You do not remember correctly. They tracks do not use the same material, as I have already said, Monaco takes place on ordinary roads. The weather makes a vast difference to the conditions also. That's why they can't use slicks when it rains.

So it takes rain to make a difference? It takes only 5 degrees of temperature to make a difference in NASCAR

Outbreaking is skill, knowing where to accelerate and break is a big part of F1, not so much in NASCAR I think

Accelerating and Breaking is what NASCAR is all about. Knowing when to push through the turns, when to back off to avoid an accident, ect. Not only that, but how much breaks you put on your car is a big deal. On superspeed tracks you need next to no breaks cause the turns are so huge and less breaks means less weight which means more speed. On shorter tracks, you need more breaks to slow down in the turns or else you'll go high and lose time and possibly hit the wall.

The maximum length of an F1 race is 305Km (190miles), sometimes slightly shorter. It was until recently not allowed to refuel during the race, that has now been changed. The number of stops a car makes depend upon many things, race strategy being the primary one.

So boring but short. That's something at least. In NASCAR fueling is a big deal since it costs time in the pit. The number of tires you change is also a big deal. You can go no tires for shorter pit time and hope for a caution so that you can change tires without having to refuel and make a shorter pit stop then people who take gas and tires. Two tires takes less time then four but means you may have to come in sooner. Four tires takes extra time but can mean more speed on the track.

Rochey wrote:

They're all different shapes, just not as noticable.

Yet they're all ovals. Hence it is driving around in a pseudo-circle for four hours. Hence the boredom.
I honestly think I'd rather watch Cricket. At least something happens in that game.

Isn't that the game where you knock around balls with a mallet in a supersized version of pool, or the one that's a cheap rip-off of Baseball? Either way they suck.

ChakatBlackstar wrote:

You do not remember correctly. They tracks do not use the same material, as I have already said, Monaco takes place on ordinary roads. The weather makes a vast difference to the conditions also. That's why they can't use slicks when it rains.

So it takes rain to make a difference? It takes only 5 degrees of temperature to make a difference in NASCAR

The choice of tyres varies greatly, there are about 218 different formulations to choose from.

Outbreaking is skill, knowing where to accelerate and break is a big part of F1, not so much in NASCAR I think

Accelerating and Breaking is what NASCAR is all about. Knowing when to push through the turns, when to back off to avoid an accident, ect. Not only that, but how much breaks you put on your car is a big deal. On superspeed tracks you need next to no breaks cause the turns are so huge and less breaks means less weight which means more speed. On shorter tracks, you need more breaks to slow down in the turns or else you'll go high and lose time and possibly hit the wall.

The maximum length of an F1 race is 305Km (190miles), sometimes slightly shorter. It was until recently not allowed to refuel during the race, that has now been changed. The number of stops a car makes depend upon many things, race strategy being the primary one.

So boring but short. That's something at least. In NASCAR fueling is a big deal since it costs time in the pit. The number of tires you change is also a big deal. You can go no tires for shorter pit time and hope for a caution so that you can change tires without having to refuel and make a shorter pit stop then people who take gas and tires. Two tires takes less time then four but means you may have to come in sooner. Four tires takes extra time but can mean more speed on the track.

So, just the same as F1 then. All of this applies to F1, there is a limit to the number of tyres you are allowed to use in F1.

ChakatBlackstar wrote:
Isn't that the game where you knock around balls with a mallet in a supersized version of pool, or the one that's a cheap rip-off of Baseball? Either way they suck.

Your think of Croquet and you've got it backwards, baseball is the simplified version of Cricket.

As for what's the latest:

It's Canada Day today, which means drunk rednecks on the street at 0300 and loud explosions. I am spending it in the house with the PSP, my wife is going to a friends.

ChakatBlackstar wrote:In NASCAR fueling is a big deal since it costs time in the pit.

How do you think F1 cars refuel? Sending tankers out onto the track with a hose and drogue?

The number of tires you change is also a big deal. You can go no tires for shorter pit time and hope for a caution so that you can change tires without having to refuel and make a shorter pit stop then people who take gas and tires. Two tires takes less time then four but means you may have to come in sooner. Four tires takes extra time but can mean more speed on the track.

Translation: NASCAR's so sub-standard it doesn't even have proper pit crews.

Isn't that the game where you knock around balls with a mallet in a supersized version of pool, or the one that's a cheap rip-off of Baseball? Either way they suck.

1) That's Croquet.
2) Cricket was invented first, so it's baseball that's the cheap knock-off.
3) Yeah, they both suck.
4) That's why I said I'd rather watch them than cars going round in circles for hours. If I wanted to do that I'd go down to a roundabout with a camera.

You can change all four tyres on an F1 car in under 25 seconds. It takes longer to get fuel into the car. Changing less tyres still takes the same amount of time, they are all done at the same time.

Cpl Kendall wrote: As for what's the latest:

It's Canada Day today, which means drunk rednecks on the street at 0300 and loud explosions. I am spending it in the house with the PSP, my wife is going to a friends.

In honor of Canada day, I give you Weird Al's Canadian Idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6 ... re=related

Don't want to be a Canadian idiot

Dont want to be some beer swillin' hockey nut
and do I look like some frost bitten hosehead
I never learned my alphabet from A to zed

They all live on donuts and moose meat
and they leave the house without packin' heat
never even bring their guns to the mall
and you know what else is too funny
their stupid monopoly money
can't take 'em seriously at all

Well maple syrup and snow's what they export
they treat curling just like it's a real sport
they think their silly accent is so cute
can't understand a thing they're talking aboot

sure they got their national health care
cheaper meds for prime rates and clean air
then again well they got celine dion
eat their weight in kraft macaroni
and dream of driving a zamboni
all over saskatchewan

Don't want to be a Canadian idiot

We'll figure out their temperature in Celcius
see the map they're hovering right over us
tell you the truth it makes me kinda nervous

always hear the same kind of story
break your nose and they'll just say sorry
tell me what kind of freaks are that polite
It's gotta mean they're all up to something
so quick before they see it coming
time for a pre-emptive strike

IanKennedy wrote:You can change all four tyres on an F1 car in under 25 seconds.

Eh? Try under 5 seconds. 25 seconds is about the entire time the spend off the track.