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Voyager · Post by **Voyager** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:37 am

I was thinking that the borg is far from perfect and perfection isn't assimilation... So far not all borgs have their own will thus, they are imperfection and i think the borg is aiming the immposible... Perfection...
Only Omega is perfect. They evolved from V'GER, Human's or Starfleet's Probe, and the borg are trying to find thier owner... Back in first contact, it looks like perfection has brought the borg to hopelessness. Their Creators, Is us and they've almost turned the world upside down...

Quote: Diplomacy. Janeway's Answer to everything. /imposter Janeway.

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:58 pm

I don't think it is absolutely canon that the Borg created the upgraded V'Ger. If I remember correctly, it was an offhand comment by Gene Roddenberry, which was picked up on in a William Shatner novel.

That is good enough for me, and I think it makes sense, but I could see why other writers wouldn't go with it.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:34 pm

I always thought V'Ger came from outside the galaxy. I have no idea where it comes from but I thought I recalled someone saying something to that effect.
*Shrug*

Space Ghost · Post by **Space Ghost** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:11 pm

I don't know, maybe they would have found out if they had flown around it a bit more in TMP... it wasn't quite long enough.

Voyager · Post by **Voyager** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:46 am

Inside StarTrek Legacy it says it all, And in the Motion Picture, where it found it's creator in NASA thingy...

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:45 am

Star Trek Legacy? a book/compiliation I missed?

If there is any more canon (or even speculation) on V'Ger, I'd love to find out about it. That was a really neat concept, and I wish they would flesh it out more.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:25 am

If they did up grade it maybe it got some independence of its own. It no longer answered to the collective and thus had no reason to contact them.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:40 am

Good point, but from what we've seen of V'Ger it seems (in my opinion anyway) to be beyond the borgs technology. Didn't V'Ger "digitize" galaxies? I have yet to hear of the borg doing that.

Crushproof · Post by **Crushproof** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:39 am

DBS wrote:Star Trek Legacy? a book/compiliation I missed?

XBox 360 and PC game. I still think Encounters on PS2 is better though.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:42 pm

That can be explaned by the fact that it is like a human. It wants more knowledge just for the hell of it. For the pure thrill of learning something new.

The borg don't have this. They only get new knowledge when it falls into their laps. V'ger searched for new knowledge on its own thus quickly evolved far faster than the borg.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:01 pm

I suppose that's a good theory.
Do we have any evidence that links V'Ger to the borg? Its just that I've never seen any.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:52 pm

It was in at least one book.

Thats not canon but enough to plant the idea in fans and to be treated as canon unless contradicted in a series which then takes canon.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:16 pm

Oh, ok then. I still don't like the idea of it being borg, still...
*shrug*

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:11 pm

I think that we might have to accept that the Borg were not always hostile or like they are now. Maybe they joined with something that made them more unpleasant after the 21st century?

I agree that the combination of Borg technology (until this is contradicted by canon...) and Voyager's programming to learn everything possible combined to create something far more than either on their own.

By the way, it has been speculated (I think here) that the Borg might have originated as a joining of two distinct races, one biological and one mechanical. Maybe the machine planet was actually the one that upgraded V'Ger before joining and becoming the Borg proper?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:28 pm

Thats a good idea.
I would certainly explain some things.

V'GER

Why the borg don't realised that when V'GER made Contact?

V'GER