USS Stargazer

[Mark]

Wait. I think that Blackstar concieded a point about destroying Stargazer. Am I right?

[Aaron]

Fine consider conceded you big baby.

Finally. That's another five pages we won't get back.

Edit:

Wait. I think that Blackstar concieded a point about destroying Stargazer. Am I right?

Don't get to excited, we'll be repeating this fiasco in the next thread he gets into.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Fine consider conceded you big baby.

Finally. That's another five pages we won't get back.

Maybe you should just argue better.

[Sionnach Glic]

Fine consider conceded

Thank you. Concession accepted.

you big baby.

Yeah, because how dare I have the nerve to actualy ask you to adress my points.

I also find it hilarious that if I don't respond to minor bits of your posts that have nothing to do with the debate, you jump on me for it, yet you have no problem with ignoring major points of mine. Does the word "hypocrite" mean anything to you?

[Mikey]

Things change. go with the flow

So you call contradicting yourself when you can't back yourself up "going with the flow?"

1)Picard was the captain of a ship with a hull number in the 2xxx range indicating it's from kirk's era

Nothing to do with this discussion

2)The ship fell into enemy hands, even though it was probably useless but you guys are making a big stink about so I'll mention it anyway

Doesn't matter if it was a garbage scow. The captain's duty is to not let his ship fall into hostile hands.

3)The 'gazer was still combat capable so why did they abandon it?

Obviously it wasn't, or soon wouldn't be, because it was abandoned.

4)The Ferengi are in a D'Kora class ship that as you guys have pointed out is a match for a Galaxy, so why didn't they just blow the E-D away?

Completely tangential, but to humor you - a slow revenge was THE POINT OF THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' EP!

5)Bok made Picard use the Picard manuvour which shouldn't have been a big deal since they knew it was coming

Also irrelevant to this discussion, but Bok was making Picard recreate an event which included the Picard Maneuver. And they defeated it because they knew it was coming.

6)The E-D should know which Stargazer to shoot

Why? And again - irrelevant to this discussion.

7)Since when do Ferengi put revenge above profit? Quark's cousin tried to kill him and he let it go to make a profit.

They don't - Bok was arrested for doing so. Watch the ep you're discussing.

The 'gazer was abandoned because it was on fire? Evacutate that section and vent it into space, problem solved.

Yes, somebody already mentioned that here. Good idea of whomever originally had it. But this is a discussion of why Picard was wrong to leave the Stargazer intact after abandoning it - what does his or Starfleet's poor firefighting abilities have to do with that?

[Captain Seafort]

Things change. go with the flow

In other words you pull random crap out of your arse whenever you're proved wrong. We'd figured that out already, but thanks for confirming it.

1)Picard was the captain of a ship with a hull number in the 2xxx range indicating it's from kirk's era

So? The Excelsiors and Mirandas are still in service.

3)The 'gazer was still combat capable so why did they abandon it?

Picard's an idiot.

4)The Ferengi are in a D'Kora class ship that as you guys have pointed out is a match for a Galaxy, so why didn't they just blow the E-D away?

Bok wanted revenge on Picard personnally - just blowing him up wouldn't have cut it.

5)Bok made Picard use the Picard manuvour which shouldn't have been a big deal since they knew it was coming

Already dealt with - do try and keep up.

6)The E-D should know which Stargazer to shoot

Evidently that pre-knowledge wasn't enough - the sensors probably had to track the ship to maintain the lock, as Arsenal of Freedom establishes that it takes at least a full second to establish a new lock.

7)Since when do Ferengi put revenge above profit? Quark's cousin tried to kill him and he let it go to make a profit.

Since Bok. And Gaila, since you're kind enough to mention the incident.

8)The 'gazer was abandoned because it was on fire? Evacutate that section and vent it into space, problem solved.

Again, Picard's evidently an idiot. Or there were extensive fires in key areas that prevented them taking control from elsewhere - we know how overcentralised Fed ships are.

[Aaron]

Maybe you should just argue better.

Do you have anything of substance to add to this forum or shall I just consider you a troll.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Things change. go with the flow

So you call contradicting yourself when you can't back yourself up "going with the flow?"

1)Picard was the captain of a ship with a hull number in the 2xxx range indicating it's from kirk's era

Nothing to do with this discussion

2)The ship fell into enemy hands, even though it was probably useless but you guys are making a big stink about so I'll mention it anyway

Doesn't matter if it was a garbage scow. The captain's duty is to not let his ship fall into hostile hands.

3)The 'gazer was still combat capable so why did they abandon it?

Obviously it wasn't, or soon wouldn't be, because it was abandoned.

4)The Ferengi are in a D'Kora class ship that as you guys have pointed out is a match for a Galaxy, so why didn't they just blow the E-D away?

Completely tangential, but to humor you - a slow revenge was THE POINT OF THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' EP!

5)Bok made Picard use the Picard manuvour which shouldn't have been a big deal since they knew it was coming

Also irrelevant to this discussion, but Bok was making Picard recreate an event which included the Picard Maneuver. And they defeated it because they knew it was coming.

6)The E-D should know which Stargazer to shoot

Why? And again - irrelevant to this discussion.

7)Since when do Ferengi put revenge above profit? Quark's cousin tried to kill him and he let it go to make a profit.

They don't - Bok was arrested for doing so. Watch the ep you're discussing.

The 'gazer was abandoned because it was on fire? Evacutate that section and vent it into space, problem solved.

Yes, somebody already mentioned that here. Good idea of whomever originally had it. But this is a discussion of why Picard was wrong to leave the Stargazer intact after abandoning it - what does his or Starfleet's poor firefighting abilities have to do with that?

I was just saying that this was a crappy episode and you're blowing it out of proportion

[Sionnach Glic]

Yeah, because it's completely unreasonable for someone to actualy knock holes in your points, right?

[Captain Seafort]

I was just saying that this was a crappy episode and you're blowing it out of proportion

Says the useless git who's spent the last half-dozen pages bitching and moaning about the fine detail of said episode.

[Aaron]

I was just saying that this was a crappy episode and you're blowing it out of proportion

So what was the point in you arguing about it?

[Blackstar the Chakat]

I was just saying that this was a crappy episode and you're blowing it out of proportion

So what was the point in you arguing about it?

I was just bringing up the points that made this episode suck.

It's idiotic stuff like I've listed, that makes me not want to watch TNG

[Mark]

Ok, moving along here. What's the maximum amount of people you'd care to guess could be crammed into Stargazer's shuttles? In TOS, the shuttles had seating for seven I believe, and in TNG I don't think it was ever established how many passangers one could carry. I was just wondering how many survivors that there COULD have been, limping away in the shuttles. Any idea? Also, if the shuttles we all over loaded, how did they manage to last in space for weeks without overloading the enviornmental systems and draining all of the ships consumables?

[Sionnach Glic]

It's possible the shuttles had their own warp drives, which would allieviate some of those problems.

[Captain Seafort]

Hey, Rochey - congratulations on your promotion!

And on that note, goodnight.