USS Stargazer

[Aaron]

SShhhhh.....

And remember, the Stargazer was from what is known as the Era of Competently Designed Ships...as opposed to the GCS.

Yeah but it was being run by the TNG Fleet. Bermans Law strikes again.

[Sonic Glitch]

Don't you just love how Chakat ignores anything he can't answer?

"I reject your reality and replace it with my own." Can anyone tell me where that quote came from? I've heard it but I don't remember the source.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Don't you just love how Chakat ignores anything he can't answer?

"I reject your reality and replace it with my own." Can anyone tell me where that quote came from? I've heard it but I don't remember the source.

I don't know where it came from originally, but if whoever said that stuck to that philosophy I may be the reincarnation of that person

[Sionnach Glic]

Hmm, acording the MA's entry on the Stargazer:

Because the loss of a starship is a court martial offense, Picard was court-martialed for the loss of the Stargazer, zealously prosecuted by Phillipa Louvois. In the end, he was absolved of all charges. (TNG: "The Battle", "The Measure Of A Man")

It says there he was court-martialed just for losing the ship. If he was absolved, it'd probably because they found there was no way to save the ship.

Ergo, it has no bearing on whether or not Picard made the right decision.
Ergo, our points still stand.

MM&I: That was Adam Savage from Mythbusters.

[Aaron]

I don't know where it came from originally, but if whoever said that stuck to that philosophy I may be the reincarnation of that person

Except he was joking when he said it.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Hmm, acording the MA's entry on the Stargazer:

Because the loss of a starship is a court martial offense, Picard was court-martialed for the loss of the Stargazer, zealously prosecuted by Phillipa Louvois. In the end, he was absolved of all charges. (TNG: "The Battle", "The Measure Of A Man")

It says there he was court-martialed just for losing the ship. If he was absolved, it'd probably because they found there was no way to save the ship.

Ergo, it has no bearing on whether or not Picard made the right decision.
Ergo, our points still stand.

Then why didn't he get in trouble for not making the right decision in your opinion?

MM&I: That was Adam Savage from Mythbusters.

I don't think he came up with that though. I've heard that a lot of other places, House, & Tales of the Folly off the top of my head.

[Aaron]

Then why didn't he get in trouble for not making the right decision in your opinion?

At this point I don't know why I'm bothering because your either going to ignore, spin or outright lie to refute this:

Picard is clearly a member of the old boys club in SF, he knows numerous Admirals by their first name and a good number of Captains as well. SF has displayed more than one occasion of nepotism. Chances are he got out of it because a "friend" in the Chain of Command" got him off.

And just because he wasn't punished IU does not make his actions any more excusable or our criticisms invalid.

[Sionnach Glic]

Then why didn't he get in trouble for not making the right decision in your opinion?

For the same reason Janeway didn't: public opinion. Having connections to numerous admirals probably helped, also.

I don't think he came up with that though. I've heard that a lot of other places, House, & Tales of the Folly off the top of my head.

What is that?

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Then why didn't he get in trouble for not making the right decision in your opinion?

For the same reason Janeway didn't: public opinion. Having connections to numerous admirals probably helped, also.

Got anything that can be proven?

I don't think he came up with that though. I've heard that a lot of other places, House, & Tales of the Folly off the top of my head.

What is that?

House is a show about a doctor named House. He's a genius but has no people skills whatsoever. Kind of reminds me of you in that respect. But he often bends the rules or sees things that others would reject out of hand because it's "impossible" in their opinion. Tales of the Folly is a story set in the Chakat universe with a captain who does things that makes no sense to anyone in Star Fleet or Star Corps. One of his adopted kids once said, "He rejects other's views on reality and substitutes them for his own."

[Sionnach Glic]

Got anything that can be proven?

Yes. Janeway got off despite being completely incompetant, and Picard has several friends in the higher ranks.
As such, it's not a major leap to conclude that Picard got off for those same reasons.

House is a show about a doctor named House. He's a genius but has no people skills whatsoever. Kind of reminds me of you in that respect. But he often bends the rules or sees things that others would reject out of hand because it's "impossible" in their opinion.Tales of the Folly is a story set in the Chakat universe with a captain who does things that makes no sense to anyone in Star Fleet or Star Corps. One of his adopted kids once said, "He rejects other's views on reality and substitutes them for his own."

I think it's safe to say that Savage didn't get his quote from a furry fanfic, and House probably took it from him. Everytime I've seen or heard it it's been credited to Savage.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Got anything that can be proven?

Yes. Janeway got off despite being completely incompetant, and Picard has several friends in the higher ranks.
As such, it's not a major leap to conclude that Picard got off for those same reasons.

What 'friends' did he have at that time?

House is a show about a doctor named House. He's a genius but has no people skills whatsoever. Kind of reminds me of you in that respect. But he often bends the rules or sees things that others would reject out of hand because it's "impossible" in their opinion.Tales of the Folly is a story set in the Chakat universe with a captain who does things that makes no sense to anyone in Star Fleet or Star Corps. One of his adopted kids once said, "He rejects other's views on reality and substitutes them for his own."

I think it's safe to say that Savage didn't get his quote from a furry fanfic, and House probably took it from him. Everytime I've seen or heard it it's been credited to Savage.

Really? huh, I always figured it was something out of a movie or book that I hadn't heard of. Oh well, no big deal right?

[Sionnach Glic]

What 'friends' did he have at that time?

*shrug* Presumably the same ones he had later on when he commanded the E-D.

And I notice you're no longer contesting the issue of blowing up the ship being difficult or impossible. Do you concede that point?

[Blackstar the Chakat]

What 'friends' did he have at that time?

*shrug* Presumably the same ones he had later on when he commanded the E-D.

And I notice you're no longer contesting the issue of blowing up the ship being difficult or impossible. Do you concede that point?

hmm...I'm not sure it's as easy as you make it out to be but nothing is impossible. But I've yet to hear an explination as to why he didn't when you make it sound so easy that he could've.

[Sionnach Glic]

Because he screwed up. Simple as that.

It is as easy as I'm suggesting. We've seen all those methods I mentioned done before, and they didn't take long.

[Sonic Glitch]

[quote="Rochey']I think it's safe to say that Savage didn't get his quote from a furry fanfic, and House probably took it from him. Everytime I've seen or heard it it's been credited to Savage.[/quote]

I'm certain it's been around longer...but I can't find any other source right now.