Sovereign class

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:06 pm

Teaos wrote:I think they were pointing out the fact that we dont know for sure the shape helps the speed not that speed is unimportant.

That's true. But we don't know a lot about things in star trek. To assume the most obvious (in-universe) answer is what we do, isn't it?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:24 pm

Slightly faster? Speed is the best defence!

Things like weapons, shields, armour, not having volitile equipment outside the ship, redundancy and an effecient design tend to help as well.
Speed is worhtless if you're outmatched. And the importance of speed is also lessened in a fleet battle.

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:16 pm

So in other words a compromise is the best. Which seems to be what Sovereign is. Powerful yet fast. Big but still agile.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:20 pm

So in other words a compromise is the best.

Not allways. Jack-of-all-trades type ships are a bad idea. They won't be as fast as ships designed specifically be fast, and they will be nowhere near as strong as one developed with combat in mind.
Look at the Galaxy class as a perfect example of a Jack-of-all-trades ship gone wrong.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:24 pm

Rochey wrote:
Slightly faster? Speed is the best defence!
Things like weapons, shields, armour, not having volitile equipment outside the ship, redundancy and an effecient design tend to help as well.
Speed is worhtless if you're outmatched. And the importance of speed is also lessened in a fleet battle.

Hardly. You are in one Sovereign with a maximum warp of 9.99. You accidently run into the Dominion battlefleet made of 400 battleships. Doesn't matter how good you are, if you've got the speed, you're still alive, if you don't, you're dead.

The sovereign is a bit of a mix around though. It's the fastest and strongest ship in the fleet, which as the flagship, it should be. I always felt that the Sovereign was designed to be the flagship. It was designed to be the fastest, and to be the strongest - and in both aspects it clearly succeeded.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:39 pm

Hardly. You are in one Sovereign with a maximum warp of 9.99. You accidently run into the Dominion battlefleet made of 400 battleships. Doesn't matter how good you are, if you've got the speed, you're still alive, if you don't, you're dead.

What about the allied fleet you just left behind? Not all ships can go 9.99. The stragelers will just be picked off one by one if you don't organise your retreat.
And my point still stands that, for a battleship, armour, weapons, shields and other combat systems are more important.

Revan · Post by **Revan** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:30 pm

What of the many upgrades seemingly performed between Insurrection and Nemesis?

Weapon additions, for instance, and of course the slight alterations in the shape of porportions of the vessel.

I personally like this ship, not just because it is pretty on the outside.

Course I do wonder how the Scimitar was so easily able to knock out their warp drive... If they were trying to run, shouldn't they have gone faster... or maybe their shields just don't work so well in warp...

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:14 pm

What of the many upgrades seemingly performed between Insurrection and Nemesis?

I didn't even know there were any. Hopefully they made the ship a bit more capable.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:19 pm

Rochey wrote:
What of the many upgrades seemingly performed between Insurrection and Nemesis?
I didn't even know there were any. Hopefully they made the ship a bit more capable.

They added a few more torpedo launchers (mostly in stupid places with no apparent magazines), and four new phaser strips on the nacelle pylons covering the previous lower-aft phaser blind spot. The main site has a good overview of the changes.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:23 pm

For some reason I keep forgetting this forum is attached to a massive repository of Trek knowledge...

Now that I have looked it seems you are right.

Revan · Post by **Revan** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:52 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:
Rochey wrote: I didn't even know there were any. Hopefully they made the ship a bit more capable.
They added a few more torpedo launchers (mostly in stupid places with no apparent magazines), and four new phaser strips on the nacelle pylons covering the previous lower-aft phaser blind spot. The main site has a good overview of the changes.

I think there is enough room for the movement of physical torpedoes, I just can't think how they could be loaded and fired in quick succession, due to the very small amount of room given. The problem, I think, is the lack of easily accessed storage space. As Seafort says, there is no place to put a weapons magazine, so if the torpedoes are kept as physical objects, they would have to be transported over some distance.

Post by **Teaos** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:13 am

Yeah they seem to be single shot at most as burst fire wouldnt work.

They should have added less but out better ones on.

kostmayer · Post by **kostmayer** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:32 pm

I can appreciate the beauty of the Sovereign Class ship, but I much prefer the look of the early movie class ships. The newer ones just a bit too comfortable. And they look a bit too sleek. More spaceship then navy ship, if that makes sense

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:24 pm

kostmayer wrote:I can appreciate the beauty of the Sovereign Class ship, but I much prefer the look of the early movie class ships. The newer ones just a bit too comfortable. And they look a bit too sleek. More spaceship then navy ship, if that makes sense

Isn't that the point? Starfleet were explorers first, military second. These ships were made to be flying homes, not just to be fly work spaces for the crew.

Post by **Teaos** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:40 am

Thats what I think to but I seem to be one of the only ones around here who does think that.