USS Daystrom Stats

[Tsukiyumi]

And besides if you really wanted to fly, Blackstar, wouldn't being a normal pilot be funner? Tactical doesn't fly those ships. The position you're wanting to make doesn't fly them. You want to be flying the ships be in a job that actually flies them. Either have M'Real behind the 'wheel' or a new character...

Read the article I posted on CAGs. The commander rarely flies anything.

[Sionnach Glic]

Nimitz class carriers can carry as many as 90 fighters but rarely operate that amount. Just because it's a duel purpose ship doesn't make it's carrier function any less important. The russian ships are duel purpose as carriers and battlecruisers. Is that ship's weapons officer in charge of the fighter wing? Why would this ship be any different?

So.
Freaking.
What?

Look, it's simple:
On this ship, Tac controls the fighters. That is solid fact. How modern navies operate has no bearing on this.

[Thorin]

Is that ship's weapons officer in charge of the fighter wing?

No. Why is that relevant? I'm not the weapons officer, I'm the head of the entire department that includes the weapons officers, wing commander, etc.

[Tsukiyumi]

...How modern navies operate has no bearing on this.

I'll remember you said this, you know.

[Monroe]

And besides if you really wanted to fly, Blackstar, wouldn't being a normal pilot be funner? Tactical doesn't fly those ships. The position you're wanting to make doesn't fly them. You want to be flying the ships be in a job that actually flies them. Either have M'Real behind the 'wheel' or a new character...

Read the article I posted on CAGs. The commander rarely flies anything.

Aye. Blackstar it sounds to me like you want to fly and to me the best way to do it is to be a pilot, not the coordnator of the shuttlebay or any other position. Pilot RPs are fun I've done them before as an Imperial 181 TIE squadron member. Yelling at people to get a torpedo loaded on a shuttle isn't quite as fun

[Monroe]

Nimitz class carriers can carry as many as 90 fighters but rarely operate that amount. Just because it's a duel purpose ship doesn't make it's carrier function any less important. The russian ships are duel purpose as carriers and battlecruisers. Is that ship's weapons officer in charge of the fighter wing? Why would this ship be any different?

So.
Freaking.
What?

Look, it's simple:
On this ship, Tac controls the fighters. That is solid fact. How modern navies operate has no bearing on this.

I always thought of this ship like the earliest of the carriers. Star Fleet is experimenting with carriers since fighters are actually becoming useful again thanks to the Dominion for proving that. So they took an Akira class ship they had modified it and sent it out. Just like the earliest of the carriers. That's why it can't hold a ton of fighters.

[Tsukiyumi]

Do we have any actual canon "fact" to show how many fighters, if any, an Akira can carry?

[Blackstar the Chakat]

And besides if you really wanted to fly, Blackstar, wouldn't being a normal pilot be funner? Tactical doesn't fly those ships. The position you're wanting to make doesn't fly them. You want to be flying the ships be in a job that actually flies them. Either have M'Real behind the 'wheel' or a new character...

Read the article I posted on CAGs. The commander rarely flies anything.

Aye. Blackstar it sounds to me like you want to fly and to me the best way to do it is to be a pilot, not the coordnator of the shuttlebay or any other position. Pilot RPs are fun I've done them before as an Imperial 181 TIE squadron member. Yelling at people to get a torpedo loaded on a shuttle isn't quite as fun

Well it comes down to Thorin outranking me and him being inflexable.

[Tsukiyumi]

Well it comes down to Thorin outranking me and him being inflexable.

At this point, it seems like he might order your squadron into a star's corona.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Well it comes down to Thorin outranking me and him being inflexable.

At this point, it seems like he might order your squadron into a star's corona.

Considering his blatent disrigard for my character's life it wouldn't suprise me

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Nimitz class carriers can carry as many as 90 fighters but rarely operate that amount. Just because it's a duel purpose ship doesn't make it's carrier function any less important. The russian ships are duel purpose as carriers and battlecruisers. Is that ship's weapons officer in charge of the fighter wing? Why would this ship be any different?

So.
Freaking.
What?

Look, it's simple:
On this ship, Tac controls the fighters. That is solid fact. How modern navies operate has no bearing on this.

I always thought of this ship like the earliest of the carriers. Star Fleet is experimenting with carriers since fighters are actually becoming useful again thanks to the Dominion for proving that. So they took an Akira class ship they had modified it and sent it out. Just like the earliest of the carriers. That's why it can't hold a ton of fighters.

oooo....finally a Monroe I can get on board with.

[Sionnach Glic]

Well it comes down to Thorin outranking me and him being inflexable.

*sigh*
No, it fracking doesn't. We've offered you numerous compromises. This all comes down to you being stubborn.

Considering his blatent disrigard for my character's life it wouldn't suprise me

You're the one who said you hoped his character died. He said nothing about yours.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Well it comes down to Thorin outranking me and him being inflexable.

*sigh*
No, it fracking doesn't. We've offered you numerous compromises. This all comes down to you being stubborn.

Hey, pot. I'm kettle. Nice to meet you.

Considering his blatent disrigard for my character's life it wouldn't suprise me

You're the one who said you hoped his character died. He said nothing about yours.

He keeps suggesting that my character should leave or be killed off and I should replace her with someone else. As if that were a realistic possibility.

[Duskofdead]

Okay everybody, on my break I stood outside and thought about a solution that might work for everybody. And yes Thorin and Rochey I am taking your position into account.

The problem is, we have two headstrong people who do NOT get along, apparently IC or OOC, who basically want access to some of the same privileges and character decisions. Thorin is Tactical Officer which includes the fighters, Blackstar wants to fly and to have some fighters at hir disposal.

So here's what I thought up.

Blackstar has an intelligence background... perfect. So keep Thorin as the ship's tactical officer, but Blackstar's new role could be an attache from Starfleet Security. Hir higher rank fits in perfectly with this. Basically, in all normal and routine operations, Thorin is the ship's tactical officer. But in specific situations (say particularly in regard to the Tholians, or some specific sort of threat or mission profile) Blackstar has the authority to commandeer and use specific assets (namely the fighters or shuttles) to accomplish certain mission goals. And yes, this is a source of sometimes friction between the two characters, and you can work that into the RP.

There's a lot of Sci Fi precedent for this. When Sisko was gone, Kira was in command, but Worf tried to overrule her command that no leaves the station by citing that he was commander of the Defiant, and might have the authority do it against her say-so. Eddington and that other guy coming in as "Starfleet Security" representatives overlapped duties with Odo and sometimes took precedence as the senior decisionmaker in situations involving greater Starfleet security, but not in normal routine security or station tactical issues. For instance when a ship pulls up that's a station issue but if the Maquis attack a Federation freighter a short distance from DS9, that was a Starfleet Security issue. In Battlestar Galactica, the sudden appearance of the Battlestar Pegasus and Admiral Cain. Some main fighters were trasnferred to work under the Pegasus's command, and Adama had to defer some issues to Cain's higher rank-- though of course this created friction in many instances. The struggle between President Roslin and Commander Adama in issues of whether a specific case was a civilian issue or a military issue could also be used as a template for story ideas.

So Blackstar would not "take over tactical', nor would she shove Thorin aside and say "I'm doing torpedoes today." But in specific story instances she would have authority to, say for example, inform the captain that she needs the use of 4 fighters for x mission for recon or for a special Starfleet op. It would be up to the captain, not Thorin, to make the judgment call on whether or not the ship can spare the resources, though of course if he refuses without ample grounds he might get a call from Starfleet.

I think this would preserve Thorin's role, while creating a role Blackstar would like, while simultaneously reflecting the rank difference. What does everyone think?

[Monroe]

Mikey's in charge of ops right? Why doesn't M'Real become a scout? She would fly and not be under Thorin's command but Mikey's.