Tech level of the Vulcans/Romulans

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:49 pm

Teaos wrote:Because the shell is part of the protection. The cleaning part... well I doubt that takes much time to cover up a phaser burn

Remember the Big E in TSS? With patches welded on the hull, that indicates holes and integrity problems. It's hard to believe that Voyager would not require the same treatment, we've seen in DS9 that some energy weapons can eat away at the hull after they've stopped firing.

They would just be unable to fix things to top quality condition. If they could everyone can and ships would have no need to go to star bases for refits.

Of course not, the thing is: we never saw any of this.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:27 pm

Why the hell would they spend the time and resources and manpower on repainting the ship's hull?
Also, your analogy of you looking fine despite having a tumor inside you is not a good one; we see inside of Voyager all the time, and I haven't so much as seen a blackened carpet, let alone the type of damage you'd expect. Remember what Ransom's ship looked like? Voyager should have been looking like that after a while.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:28 pm

Why the hell would they spend the time and resources and manpower on repainting the ship's hull?
Also, your analogy of you looking fine despite having a tumor inside you is not a good one; we see inside of Voyager all the time, and I haven't so much as seen a blackened carpet, let alone the type of damage you'd expect. Remember what Ransom's ship looked like? Voyager should have been looking like that after a while.

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:22 am

Becaus Voyager did have the resourses. To fill up the replicator all they have to do is stop by an astroid belt. Fixing things up would give them something to do. After all Voyager is there home so they would want to keep it looking tidy.

Post by **Mikey** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:56 am

But lack of resources was the excuse given for stopping at every single planet and nebula, and for keeping Neelix alive, wasn't it?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:30 am

Becaus Voyager did have the resourses.

There were plenty of episodes revolving around them not having enough resources to so much as feed themselves, yet they waste resources on paint?

To fill up the replicator all they have to do is stop by an astroid belt.

And mine the asteroids. And process the minerals they get. And then put them through the replicator.
Also, the same would have held true for Ransom's ship, yet that was in pieces.

Fixing things up would give them something to do. After all Voyager is there home so they would want to keep it looking tidy.

There's a bit of a difference between "keep it looking tidy" and "wasting reources on paint and new carpets".

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:34 pm

And mine the asteroids. And process the minerals they get. And then put them through the replicator.
Also, the same would have held true for Ransom's ship, yet that was in pieces.

Do we know what process it takes to get replicator stock? They could just dematerialize ot then remake it into carpet.

And Ransoms ship was under attack constantly of coarse they would fix it up.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:42 pm

Yes, I can understand wanting it to be looking nice. But to have it in perfect condition at the end of seven whole years of travel through hostile territory with no way to dock with a starbase and have all the dents hammered out of the ship? Completely ridiculous. Hell, even the freaking paint is just the same as it always was.

stitch626 · Post by **stitch626** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:16 pm

There were several times that they stopped at a station, and coould have done many major repairsd doing so along the way.
Of course, the real reason that Voyager looked nice almost all the time was because it was the main ship of the series.

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:17 pm

because it was the main ship of the series.

Cant have your leading lady with a bloody nose all the time.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:13 pm

Teaos wrote:
Do we know what process it takes to get replicator stock? They could just dematerialize ot then remake it into carpet.

And Ransoms ship was under attack constantly of coarse they would fix it up.

No we don't but we know it's not an alchemy machine, otherwise they could have picked up soil and turned it into diamonds and bought everything they needed at whatever planet they stopped at.

We do know that they keep food stock which is likely a block of algae or something (containing the basic elements of food).

Post by **Mikey** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:55 pm

Teaos wrote:
And mine the asteroids. And process the minerals they get. And then put them through the replicator.
Also, the same would have held true for Ransom's ship, yet that was in pieces.
Do we know what process it takes to get replicator stock? They could just dematerialize ot then remake it into carpet.

And Ransoms ship was under attack constantly of coarse they would fix it up.

Well, we do know that unabated replicator use was disallowed, presumably because of it being resource-intensive.

robjkay · Post by **robjkay** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:07 am

Mikey wrote:You make an excellent point. CPH. I can't really explain why thos two races aren't further along than they were. All I can say is that Vulcan is often quite hidebound, and tied up in their own dogma and ritual; while the RSE seems to have huge disparities in their techical acheivement from field to particular field.

For example: in the seminal ep, "Balance of Terror," they have ships fitted with a cloaking device. I will repeat that loudly. A CLOAKING DEVICE! We've become jaded, but this is really an amazingly, mind-blowingly, super-badass technological acheivement. However, at the same time their ships are powered by "simple impulse power," presumably from the context a reactor similar to the ones which power a Fed ship's sublight engines. The gap between these two areas - cloaking/EM manipulation vs. power generation - is HUGE. Therefore, we can say that individual Romulan advancements may be big, but their AVERAGE technological level shouldn't be expected to be too far ahead of their contemporaries..

Yes we all know that in "Balance of Terror," the Romulans had cloaking devices (in the series Enterprise they messed it up being the Romulans did not have this technology at that time) but also there ships did have warp power! Maybe it was not powered the same way as Federation vessels, but the Romulans ships did have warp power to get to places. Being if there ships were not warp capable, they would not be able to get anywhere.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:56 am

robjkay wrote:
Yes we all know that in "Balance of Terror," the Romulans had cloaking devices (in the series Enterprise they messed it up being the Romulans did not have this technology at that time) but also there ships did have warp power! Maybe it was not powered the same way as Federation vessels, but the Romulans ships did have warp power to get to places. Being if there ships were not warp capable, they would not be able to get anywhere.

Where are you going with this? Mikey didn't say they lacked warp drive, indeed anyone who's watched the episode (and doesn't have an agenda) wouldn't claim that. Scotty's answer is commonly explained as the BoP having only a fusion reactor, which definetly fits with the ships constant shortage of power and short legs.

Post by **Mikey** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:14 pm

Robjkay - before you get all bent... "simple impulse power" is not my invention, it's a QUOTE FROM THE EPISODE. Secondly, I specifically referenced "power generation" not "warp capability" in my post. If you want to argue with me, that's fine, but don't argue with me about something that I didn't say, or make up things and attrribute them to me in order to argue against them.