Just how hardcore is Data?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:38 pm

GrahamKennedy wrote:Well he was on duty during the Dominion war. One can only assume that Starfleet employed lethal force as a matter of course during the war, and Data would have gone along with that.

Wasn't the Big E running diplomatic missions and such during that?

mwhittington · Post by **mwhittington** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:46 am

That's true, it was running diplomatic missions, going around trying to find new members to join the UFP.

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:51 am

Yeah, wouldn't want to use it to smash Dominion battlecruisers, or minor annoyances like cardassian weapons platforms...

MetalHead · Post by **MetalHead** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:26 am

Id say in any kind of capacity, Data MUST be able to, if he is orderd to fire the ship's weapons, or even a hand phaser, disobeying a direct order is a pretty serious offense in Starfleet. Imagine a time of war and Data refuses because morally its against his programming...

Post by **Teaos** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:32 am

The laws of motion puts a limit on just how hard he could hit.

But an interesting question is does the guy who press' the button to fire the weapons "kill" them? Or is it everyone in the ship combined?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:26 am

I'd say the guy who presses the big red button is responsible. But there'd be other people respobsible, such as his superiors who ordered the attack. I suppose you could say that everyone on the ship is culpable to some extent.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:33 am

Ultimate responsibility lies with the CO, however if he orders you to commit a warcrime and you do than off to the stockade you go.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:04 am

By the same token, as MetalHead mentioned, if he orders you to do anything else and you don't - off to the stockade you go...

mlsnoopy · Post by **mlsnoopy** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:32 am

Imagine Datas as the federation graund army.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:56 pm

mlsnoopy wrote:Imagine Datas as the federation graund army.

My dreams of a Starfleet Empire come true!

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:09 pm

mlsnoopy wrote:Imagine Datas as the federation graund army.

Excellent, they can talk the enemy to death.

mlsnoopy · Post by **mlsnoopy** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:29 pm

Excellent, they can talk the enemy to death.

when needed

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:38 pm

mlsnoopy wrote:
Excellent, they can talk the enemy to death.
when needed

Alternatively, " Not always, but often..."

MetalHead · Post by **MetalHead** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:54 pm

Yeah the laws of motion/physics and so on DO limit it his speed and so on, but like I said, if a normal person can using a simple backfooted kicking technique, apply 1000lbs of force and impact at 28mph, which is more than enough to cause severe internal damage if not be lethal, just how much damage do we think data could do?

We know he could kill in Defense of his life, fair enough. But lets say for some reason/circumstance, he's ordered to kill someone and he himself or the starship he may or may not be on is not directly threatened by this person. What do we think?

mlsnoopy · Post by **mlsnoopy** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:56 pm

We know he could kill in Defense of his life, fair enough. But lets say for some reason/circumstance, he's ordered to kill someone and he himself or the starship he may or may not be on is not directly threatened by this person. What do we think?

If ordered he would disobey the order.