Politics...revealed

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:02 am

Illinois = Obama
Georgia = Obama
Conneticut= Obama (very close)
Alabama = Obama (too early)
Kansas = Obama (too early)

Oklahoma = Hillary
Arkansas = Hillary
Tennessee = Hillary
New York= Hillary
New Jersey = Hillary ( too early to call)
Missouri

= Hillary (too early)

This is just what I've seen from CNN.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:12 pm

Pretty even, then.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:24 pm

The number of delegates won by each candidate makes it a very hotly contested race, indeed... even the people who make their living by saying who's destined to win are keepin mum for the moment.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:39 pm

Clinton: 845
Obama: 765

Whats giving Clinton the lead is her super deligate count which I didn't even know existed until last night. Apparently powerful people get their own deligate.

What a screwed up system, i was checking out the deligate system and like Obama beat Clinton by 80k in Alabama but Clinton got one more deligate despite losing by like 14%

sunnyside · Post by **sunnyside** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:19 pm

It'd be more accurate to say that powerful people get to be a delegate. The Democratic party just considers them cool enough that they can vote for whoever they want. These people account for ~1/5 of the delegates.

Now I can see why they do it. But this time around it seems a little off to me. For example Bill Clinton is a superdelegate, but more importantly there are a lot of superdelegates that worked for Bill or were given positions of power by Bill during his administration. I remember seeing a list at some point but that accounts for about ~140 delegates for Hillary right there.

Beyond that I'd imagine Bill and Hillary have a lot more favors to call in than Obama does so he's got an uphill battle. But he's doing all right, this isn't over yet.

Captain Peabody · Post by **Captain Peabody** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:44 pm

Well, so much for Super Tuesday being some kind of "race-ending" event... at least on the Democratic side, things seem just as jumbled as before.

On the Republican side, however, McCain cashed in on delegates, winning in practically all the big, winner-take-all states in the northeast, as well as in California and Missouri. Huckabee won a swath of states in the South, including my Sweet Home Alabama,

and Romney won Massachussetts (the state where he'd been governor), Utah (a state with an huge Mormon population), and a few other western states. So, on the Republican side, the immediate result of Super Tuesday has been to solidify McCain's lead. On the Democratic side, it's anyone's guess...

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:28 pm

Sorry to drag this thread back up again, but could anyone give me a rundown of the current situation? I can't understand 90% of what the damn news stations are telling me....

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:24 pm

McCain pretty much won the republican nomination.
Obama has won 11 contests in a row now.
Clinton needs 70% victories in Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island. If she gets that in two states she needs Pennsyvannia to pull back to being even with Obama.

Clinton campaign doesn't think they can win the popular vote now so is trying to close the gap enough so that the party hacks (Super Deligates) can decide the vote for them without splintering the party. If Clinton is behind by 400 votes and suddenly wins due to Super Deligates you can bet the democratic party would be hurt badly and with the splintering of the republican party could really lead to a formation of a third party.

That's pretty much it.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:37 pm

What're these 'Super-delegates'? And why are they so important?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:01 pm

Rochey wrote:What're these 'Super-delegates'? And why are they so important?

Democrat Representatives, Senators, former Presidents and sundry bigwigs - they all get a vote at the convention, along with those delegates whose vote is decided for them via the primaries. Why exactly they get a vote I'm not sure.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:10 pm

Oh, okay then. How important are they in regards to the election?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:16 pm

I'm not sure - it depends on how close Obama and Clinton are at the end. There's around four to found-and-a-half thousand delegates, of whom about 750 are supers, so they're fairly important.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:39 pm

Rochey wrote:Oh, okay then. How important are they in regards to the election?

I think they make up 1/8th the total count of deligates.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:47 pm

Ah, okay, thanks.

What are the chances of Clinton winning the super-delegate votes?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:51 pm

At this point, prety slim - and even if she wins a massive proportion of them, Obama may still have enough from the primaries to win outright. It's more likely that most of the supers will vote for Obama due to his success in the primaries, and the fact that he's got a much better chance of beating McCain.