Worst ship design in sci-fi?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:27 pm

They were possesed by daemons? Damn, I need to start reading more, again...

Post by **Mikey** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:46 pm

That's why they're Illuminati. It refers to folks who were possessed, and then exorcised with or without help.

The Exorcists chapter somehow doesn't count as part of the Illuminati brotherhood; perhaps because they were forced into possession and then exorcised as part of an Inquisition experiment.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:15 pm

Okay, I really need to start buying more books.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:17 pm

Rochey - if you haven't found it yet (which I doubt,) check this out:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:33 pm

Oooh. Thanks!

D. Sergez · Post by **D. Sergez** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:32 pm

LEAST: The Cardassian ships were ugly. you would have figured differently from the Design of Terok Nor and Impok Nor, they are beautiful stations
MOST: Romulans, the Streamlined look to there vessels and even their weapons themselves. Though the D'Derix Warbird was kinda Both, Big fat and lumbersome, yet. still beautiful in her own right. And the Norexan (Valdore) are absolutly Beautiful.

Post by **Mikey** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:00 am

Play with that site, Rochey. You could lose hours just with the "random page" feature.

PS - halfway through Chapter War by Counter, in the Soul Drinkers series. Better effort than Grey Knights - and lots of ork carcasses.

Bryan Moore · Post by **Bryan Moore** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:38 pm

Okay, truthfully, the whole premise of the Tie Fighter says "kill me". 2 lasers, no shields, no torpedos, no life support? Massive fighting or not, I bet they spend dozens of times more than they need to, if they just equiped these things a little bit better.

Enkidu · Post by **Enkidu** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:40 pm

One of the most vital and expensive components of an aircraft is the pilot, and the TIE fighter really doesn't look after them does it? The chances of a pilot surviving his first combat must be pretty low, and even for an experienced pilot, which must be pretty rare, one mistake and he's toast.
Always seemed strange to be that the Rebels has fighters that where hugely superior to the Empire. Like, Bryan, I never bought the cost effective explanation.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:00 pm

TIE fighters aren't nearly as weak as the EU makes them out to be - in ANH they take as much punishment as X or Y-wings before exploding, and they have ejector seats, as seen in ESB.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:53 pm

The ARC-170 was just as bad as the TIE as I see it. It took 3 pilots and they dropped like flies! I have so many problems with this thing that its not even funny!

Now on to the TIE. The TIE fighter was useful when facing local system defenses or hunting pirates. The rebels were outnumbered and new it, of course they would take better care of their men. The kill rate was 3 to 1 on average, reb vs imp. This is back durning the pride days of the Y-wing. The TIE wasn't truly out matched by and large until the X-wing came out. That was when it fell behind into the space dust that it is now.

The starship that I hated the most of starwars was the imperial class star destoryer. These ships were such wastes for what could have been just amazing ships!

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:43 pm

Ejector seats, Seafort? i don't recall them ejecting in ESB...

Deep, the Impstar was actually pretty well-designed. Great firing arcs for all its weapons, heavy armor and shielding...

Yeah, TIEs sucked like a dovin basil.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:23 pm

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Ejector seats, Seafort? i don't recall them ejecting in ESB...

It's in the asteroid field - in a frame by frame analysis of the destruction of the TIEs you can see a small seated figure spinning away from the fighter. They also turned up in the comics. (See herefor an example)

Deep, the Impstar was actually pretty well-designed. Great firing arcs for all its weapons, heavy armor and shielding...

Indeed. The ISD's only design weaknesses were the position of the bridge (common to virtually every ship in sci-fi) and the big unarmoured hanger (necessary to deploy it fighter complement).

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:35 pm

They never focused the weapons for the forward arc so the ship as a whole was well armed but was out gunned by a MC80b in broadsides and was to slow to out turn them. The Mon Ramada took credit for between 6 and 8 kills of ISDs. They had a poor fight complement and their shields were based off of two main generators that were easy targets for fighters. I would have loved for a souped up model of the Venator over the ISDs.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:21 pm

They never focused the weapons for the forward arc so the ship as a whole was well armed but was out gunned by a MC80b in broadsides and was to slow to out turn them.

True, but that's more a fault of the crew than the ship.

They had a poor fight complement

Do you mean 'fighter'? If so, they had 72 attack craft on board. Not bad, in my opinion.

and their shields were based off of two main generators that were easy targets for fighters.

Those domes aren't shield generators, they're sensor domes.