Alpha SIM IC Thread

[BigJKU316]

Then we will begin to call your trade vessels weapons, and treat them as such as they can destroy all life on a planet just by flying into it.


As for the Sheliak and this device...
They seem to be willing to provide as much information as necessary. So we will no longer oppose an audit of their communication records. As long as this audit does not remove their security and allow other irrelevant information to leak out.

If you are in agreement then it simply falls to the Shelliak to accept a team of experts from all interested parties who will be given access to all communications records and research records related to this device and who can supervise its destruction.

[stitch626]

As long as this doesn't turn into a... witchhunt, and the agreement of the Sheliak continues, we will not oppose this.

[Tsukiyumi]

Pause for a moment...

If this device could turn say, a swarm of Hur'q vessels into a planet, we can see the viability of this strategy immediately. What information do the Sheliak have about this possibility? We suggest further research into the device, jointly conducted by all powers in the region.

[Nickswitz]

This is why we have lent them out to be used at the wormhole. They can be used to recreate a planet by creating a heavy gravitational force towards the placement of the device, this has been tested well, and if it is wished to use it as an anti-Hur'q weapon we would be pleased to call it such a weapon for such a noble cause, otherwise it will not be used as a weapon. This is the other reason for the device, it can be modified to create planets from waste, it will not be a very pleasant planet, but it will be a planet that can be terraformed using safer methods if you wish, and even out of non-biological material, however, it wouldn't be able to be terraformed if you used, say, a ship as it's fuel, it can only do so much.

And if the Ferengi wish for the communication transcript between the Turei, Romulans and Sheliak we will be glad to share them with you as soon as they are properly formated for transfer. We as well will allow all to witness the destruction of the device if it is so requested, and all research will be destroyed if it pleases the FKI.

[BigJKU316]

This is why we have lent them out to be used at the wormhole. They can be used to recreate a planet by creating a heavy gravitational force towards the placement of the device, this has been tested well, and if it is wished to use it as an anti-Hur'q weapon we would be pleased to call it such a weapon for such a noble cause, otherwise it will not be used as a weapon. This is the other reason for the device, it can be modified to create planets from waste, it will not be a very pleasant planet, but it will be a planet that can be terraformed using safer methods if you wish, and even out of non-biological material, however, it wouldn't be able to be terraformed if you used, say, a ship as it's fuel, it can only do so much.

And if the Ferengi wish for the communication transcript between the Turei, Romulans and Sheliak we will be glad to share them with you as soon as they are properly formated for transfer. We as well will allow all to witness the destruction of the device if it is so requested, and all research will be destroyed if it pleases the FKI.

The Ferengi ask that an independent investigation of the project and communications related to it be done. We have no interest in transcripts sent directly from the government. We feel this request has been made enough times that the nature of what the various powers are asking should be clear.

[Reliant121]

-viewscreen opens and heavily cloaked woman walks on-

Good morning all! I am Proconsul E'harei and 3rd in line for the Praetor's seat. Ambassador Tharoth has been removed from his position, and a more senior representative takes his place.


Now, to business. Frankly, I find it appalling that the civilized races of the galaxy have turned this important issue into a quagmire of petty insult and alliance in fighting.

We are quite happy to allow an independent inquest to be taken up by the Gorn/Tholian Hegemony, with no outside interference from the United Federation of Planets or the Cardassian Union. Forgive our suspicion, but since the Hegemony finds itself allied we must take steps that mean the information cannot be tainted. Purely, security.

The Cardassian point about it being a super-weapon is quite amusing. Was it not your people that sent the dreadnaught out in a similar vein in the effort to assault shipyards, starbases and even planets using a large scale military warhead? Was it not the Federation that developed the genesis technology in the first place? Since you are quite willing to ignore the weapons intended purpose, we must put forward that the United Federation of Planets developed this super-weapon first. Beautiful irony.

Frankly, we cannot see how the weapon threatens anyone. Should the weapon be used, and the regrettable loss of life occur, either the assaulted power or assaulted alliance will reduce the Sheliak Corporation to dust. That part carries such weight, don't you think? It's little more than genocide. but, it is exactly what will happen. And the Sheliak are well aware of it.

The threat shall come should the weapon be sold or distributed among the black market such as the FKI proposes. Should they keep the weapon among their own stockpiles, much like Nuclear weaponry was used on Earth, then it poses little threat. A fleet can glass a planet just as effectively as the Genesis weapon making its power have a somewhat hollow ring in our ears. However, using Earth as an example, should the weapon fall into a faction such as the...Taleeban?, a terrorist cell intent on destruction, then it becomes a danger for they are hidden enough to stop retribution.

[BigJKU316]

-viewscreen opens and heavily cloaked woman walks on-

Good morning all! I am Proconsul E'harei and 3rd in line for the Praetor's seat. Ambassador Tharoth has been removed from his position, and a more senior representative takes his place.


Now, to business. Frankly, I find it appalling that the civilized races of the galaxy have turned this important issue into a quagmire of petty insult and alliance in fighting.

We are quite happy to allow an independent inquest to be taken up by the Gorn/Tholian Hegemony, with no outside interference from the United Federation of Planets or the Cardassian Union. Forgive our suspicion, but since the Hegemony finds itself allied we must take steps that mean the information cannot be tainted. Purely, security.

The Cardassian point about it being a super-weapon is quite amusing. Was it not your people that sent the dreadnaught out in a similar vein in the effort to assault shipyards, starbases and even planets using a large scale military warhead? Was it not the Federation that developed the genesis technology in the first place? Since you are quite willing to ignore the weapons intended purpose, we must put forward that the United Federation of Planets developed this super-weapon first. Beautiful irony.

Frankly, we cannot see how the weapon threatens anyone. Should the weapon be used, and the regrettable loss of life occur, either the assaulted power or assaulted alliance will reduce the Sheliak Corporation to dust. That part carries such weight, don't you think? It's little more than genocide. but, it is exactly what will happen. And the Sheliak are well aware of it.

The threat shall come should the weapon be sold or distributed among the black market such as the FKI proposes. Should they keep the weapon among their own stockpiles, much like Nuclear weaponry was used on Earth, then it poses little threat. A fleet can glass a planet just as effectively as the Genesis weapon making its power have a somewhat hollow ring in our ears. However, using Earth as an example, should the weapon fall into a faction such as the...Taleeban?, a terrorist cell intent on destruction, then it becomes a danger for they are hidden enough to stop retribution.

This is a simple issue and the canard that a fleet can cause similar destruction is simply a way to obscure the real issue at hand. Yes, large fleets can cause quick and devestating destruction. However they are controlled by governments and are less of a threat due to the deterrence factor you yourself recognize.

The simple existance of these weapons is destabilizing and pose a security risk the FKI cannot afford to take.

There is simply no reason that EVERY power interested should not be able to particpate in a joint inquiry onto this subject. We will all see the same information after all and can judge it for ourselves at that point. At the very least until the FKI can participate in an investigation that meets its security needs we will be regrettably forced to begin the process of closing down all possible avenues of trade through which such a weapon might reach our space.

A simple analysis of the device will quickly determine if it had peaceful pursuits or was a pure weapon. We ask simply to do that and to determine the extent of its spread through a look at communications and documents related to the device.

[Reliant121]

That is within your prerogative to demand.

I have made my government's position clear, and will continue to support it. However, it is ultimately up to the other powers to decide.

[Nickswitz]

This is a simple issue and the canard that a fleet can cause similar destruction is simply a way to obscure the real issue at hand. Yes, large fleets can cause quick and devestating destruction. However they are controlled by governments and are less of a threat due to the deterrence factor you yourself recognize.

What sort of stupidity are you suggesting our government is up to? This device is controlled by a government, one that has been controlling this space for the past centuries. It has not left the hands of the government since it was created, it was even created by this government. We made sure that it would not leave government hands, ever, and why would our "weapon" not be detered by mutually assured destruction as the human race once referred to the scenerio at hand?

Please explain why we would destroy a planet when we know that once that occured our entire race would be eliminated, your ships can travel faster than ours, so therefore we would be in imminent danger, and you would not. So why would we try something that stupid?

[stitch626]

For the record, Ferengi, this device could easily get into your borders on a cloaked pirate ship should it be sold, and there would be nothing you could do about it. Thankfully, the Sheliak do not have cloaking devices, nor do they intend to sell, but rather to destroy this device.

[BigJKU316]

This is a simple issue and the canard that a fleet can cause similar destruction is simply a way to obscure the real issue at hand. Yes, large fleets can cause quick and devestating destruction. However they are controlled by governments and are less of a threat due to the deterrence factor you yourself recognize.

What sort of stupidity are you suggesting our government is up to? This device is controlled by a government, one that has been controlling this space for the past centuries. It has not left the hands of the government since it was created, it was even created by this government. We made sure that it would not leave government hands, ever, and why would our "weapon" not be detered by mutually assured destruction as the human race once referred to the scenerio at hand?

Please explain why we would destroy a planet when we know that once that occured our entire race would be eliminated, your ships can travel faster than ours, so therefore we would be in imminent danger, and you would not. So why would we try something that stupid?

Why would you test a weapon such as this within sight of the borders of three major powers? We decline to speculate on the cause of your stupidity and would say that location of such a test establishes such stupidity as a fact, whatever the root cause of it may be.

You tested a potential WMD near a potentially unstable border region!

You transited such WMD through the territory of other powers WITHOUT their knowledge and permission!

And you developed such a weapon in the first place!

Now you can either open up and let everyone get the reassurance they need or you can continue to hide behind your sparkly black blankets or you can open up to a fair examination by all powers who wish to do so. The choice is yours but the continued attempt to shift blame and fault in this instance has long grown old. If the device is as you say it is then open the records of its development, let qualified people take a look at it and let the proper people ensure that no plans were transfered regarding the device.

If you are telling the truth you have nothing to fear.

[stitch626]

For the record... again, the Sheliak never went through anyone's space. The planets they tested on were outside of any power's space at the time.

[BigJKU316]

For the record... again, the Sheliak never went through anyone's space. The planets they tested on were outside of any power's space at the time.

They stationed two of the devices on ships near the wormhole by their own admission. At the very least they passed through Federation and Gorn space to get there and they are now sitting in sovereign Gorn territory. Given that no one knew of the existance of this device until several days ago that means they did so without asking permission or disclosing the nature of such a weapon.

[stitch626]

First off, they would not have had to travel through Federation space to get there. They could go around.

Secondly, who are you to say the Gorn were not informed. They may have gotten the message and decided it wasn't their place to tell everyone else. We will have to wait for them to say whether it is as such.

[Reliant121]

I and my government grow tired of this issue. We will support the devices termination if it will help this issue that has gone on far enough to be dealt with.