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We have to ask what the need for cloaking technology ie, especially if you are unable to use it due to treaty stipulations. We will outwardly admit we are concerned about this recent development.
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I am unsure of what you mean. There is no treaty limiting it's use, at least not yet. The treaty the Cardassian Ambassador speaks of is the Non-Proliferation Treaty which prevents the distribution of cloaks from powers that have developed them to powers that have not.
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I am mistaken then, I had read and understood the treaty to limit the usage of cloaking devices.

However, the point of my concern still stands.
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We feel the need to ask.

If it will only take a year to refit the fleet, how long has the Cardassian Union had the devices before you decided to inform the rest of us?
No disrespect intended. We understand you were under no obligation. But we are curious.
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The Federation wishes that it be known that regardless of weather or not it was a faction within the Romulan Government or the Romulan Government itself that sold a cloaking devise to the Ferangi Alliance in violation of the Non Poliferation Treaty the Federation will not sanction or tolerate a war to ravage the populace for the sake of revenge. The Romulan Star Empire shall be punished for it's offenses, but we will not see dozens of worlds shattered by war.

Starfleet will move into position to take control of space in and around the RSE. We will tolerate no interference from the Romulan Navy. We will see that each and every cloaking devise is removed from every Romulan Ship, and we will see to it that a punitive fine of 2 million per year is split evenly to all the signors of the NPT for the next fifteen years. The Romulan Empire will agree to these terms.
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What the Federation will or won't tolerate isn't the concern of the rest of those who are involved. The Klingon Empire considers the Federation withdrawn from the council meeting to discuss the Romulan sale of cloaking technology. Their vote, no longer carries weight and is to be cast aside in much the same as they treat their allies.
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That would be an acceptable position to take, if we had in fact violated the treaty. However, this is simply not the case.

For those who are not aware, the Romulan Star Empire purchased the cloak equipped Profit class ship. We did so out of distrust for the Klingons, for fear that they would not share the results of any testing they performed and simply state us as the source of its cloak. So we purchased it with the full intention of sharing it with the other NPT powers.
While we were transporting it to our space, the Klingons decided to take the device. Somehow, they learned of the location of the ship and intercepted it. In an act proving their dishonor and lack of trustworthiness, they attacked the Profit class ship, an act which led to its destruction, making accurate determinations of the cloak impossible. They chose to keep the information from all of us.
Since the destruction of that ship and the loss of its crew, we have been cooperating with the Federation in its investigation. When they reached the area, their scans showed high amounts of radiation from a warp core breach. There is nothing to suggest that the device was Romulan, other than pure speculation. A device that small would have been completely eradicated in a core breach.

However, let us suppose it was a Romulan device. If it indeed was a Romulan cloaking device, there still would be no treaty violation. The Romulan Empire exited the Non-Proliferation Treaty when we were dishonorably attacked by the Klingon Empire. They started a war based off of lies and hatred. So at the only time the device could have been sold, the Romulan Star Empire was not a signatory, and thus, even if we had provided the cloak, there would be no treaty violation.

The only reason for the Klingons' actions is hatred. They cannot let go of the past. They would use any excuse, even one fabricated by their own paranoia, to war against us. They have lost the honor of centuries back. What has become of the Klingon Empire would make Kahless weep.

We do not accept the offer. We did not try to keep the truth from you. We were eager to cooperate. The Klingons made that impossible.
We have not violated any treaty. To deliver punishment without a crime is the epitome of dishonor.
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HA! You blew up your own ship after we scanned it! Don't hide yourself behind more lies and twisting words. No one cares for them anymore.
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You transported a boarding party over. That is an attack. The ship then was destroyed. Your actions led to the ships destruction. Had you not interfered, we would have known who actually sold the cloak.
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stitch626 wrote:That would be an acceptable position to take, if we had in fact violated the treaty. However, this is simply not the case.

For those who are not aware, the Romulan Star Empire purchased the cloak equipped Profit class ship. We did so out of distrust for the Klingons, for fear that they would not share the results of any testing they performed and simply state us as the source of its cloak. So we purchased it with the full intention of sharing it with the other NPT powers.
While we were transporting it to our space, the Klingons decided to take the device. Somehow, they learned of the location of the ship and intercepted it. In an act proving their dishonor and lack of trustworthiness, they attacked the Profit class ship, an act which led to its destruction, making accurate determinations of the cloak impossible. They chose to keep the information from all of us.
Since the destruction of that ship and the loss of its crew, we have been cooperating with the Federation in its investigation. When they reached the area, their scans showed high amounts of radiation from a warp core breach. There is nothing to suggest that the device was Romulan, other than pure speculation. A device that small would have been completely eradicated in a core breach.

However, let us suppose it was a Romulan device. If it indeed was a Romulan cloaking device, there still would be no treaty violation. The Romulan Empire exited the Non-Proliferation Treaty when we were dishonorably attacked by the Klingon Empire. They started a war based off of lies and hatred. So at the only time the device could have been sold, the Romulan Star Empire was not a signatory, and thus, even if we had provided the cloak, there would be no treaty violation.

The only reason for the Klingons' actions is hatred. They cannot let go of the past. They would use any excuse, even one fabricated by their own paranoia, to war against us. They have lost the honor of centuries back. What has become of the Klingon Empire would make Kahless weep.

We do not accept the offer. We did not try to keep the truth from you. We were eager to cooperate. The Klingons made that impossible.
We have not violated any treaty. To deliver punishment without a crime is the epitome of dishonor.
Our analysis of the remains at the site indicated that it was in fact a Romulan devise as we disclosed to both you and the Klingons. Additionally, I point out that it would be difficult for you to know weather the sale was within your gap if you had not been involved in the sale. I also wish to disclose that our allies in the KFI have told us the date of delivery of the devise, it was NOT during the same window that the RSE had removed themselves from the NPT.

The Romulans will agree to the terms or will ignite a war that will leave them barely intact if they are lucky.
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(Consider these as the Klingon speaking all at once, I just broke it up for easier reading.)
stitch626 wrote:You transported a boarding party over. That is an attack.
Of course, we detected an illegal item in transit.
The ship then was destroyed. Your actions led to the ships destruction.
No, your crew setting off the Warp Core led to the ship's destruction.
Had you not interfered, we would have known who actually sold the cloak.
Had we not have interfered you would have hidden the evidence away like so many of your others failed ploys. Besides we already know who sold the cloak. YOU DID! Even the Federation who was looking for a peaceful way out of this before they betrayed their allies agreed.
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Your analysis indicated that there was no Klingon or Federation technology in the debris, so you assumed it was Romulan, without taking into consideration that the cloaking device, being right next to the warp core could have been annihilated in the breach, thus leaving no remains of the device.

As for the destruction for the ship, a self destruct is standard procedure, rather than let a potential enemy capture a ship. If the ship had reached our space, it would immediate have been sent to the Federation for a joint analysis.
If we had wanted it destroyed, the ship would have simply flown away from everyone and self destructed, and no one would have known.



However, as my current advisors are insisting, it seems I do not have a choice.

We will accept the Federations terms, under the following conditions.
After those fifteen years, if both the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire exist, all Starfleet warships will leave our space. Scientific vessels and small patrol ships will be allowed (to keep their "eye" on us).
The 2 million will be split only between the signatories that agree to this proposal.
The cloaking devices will be removed at a reasonable pace, to be determined by the federation based off of the situation at the time.

Is this acceptable to the Federation?

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This will probably be my last act in office...
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These stipulations are agreeable to the Federation, the blockade will be up in days, your Navy will stand down from active status as we enter the systems.
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A shame, it will make shooting them to pieces poor sport.
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We must warn you. While the Romulan Military will follow me in this, the Tal'Shiar may not.
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