Deadliest Warrior

[RK_Striker_JK_5]

Interesting dissection of the show

Can't vete for the accuracy of what they say, but if it's like this... glad I don't watch the show.

[Mark]

One or two more like this and they might lose me.

[Tyyr]

Green Berets vs. Spetznaz lost me. The moment the guys doing combat rolls were taken seriously I changed the channel.

[Mark]

I kind of questioned that myself.

The Green Berets used an e-tool. A goddamned folding shovel. Not a k-bar, not even a bayonet. A collapsable spade.

[Tyyr]

Ok, problems.

Grenades, one was tested by putting it in a washing machine (I am not making this shit up) and the other was detonated inside an acrylic box with dummies. Yeah, that was the test.

Shotguns, the pump action Mossberg was fired into a pig to gauge damage and the saiga was... well the a fore mentioned combat rolls through a set shooting at dummies. From this they determined the saiga was better. Never mind that THEY'RE BOTH FUCKING 12 GAUGE therefore the damage the Mossberg could inflict the Saiga could to. No, they determined it based off rate of fire since the Saiga was semi-auto... EVEN THOUGH THE ROLLING FUCKER FIRED SLOWER THAN THE MOSSBERG! Not to mention anyone who's ever, I dunno, fired a semi-auto shotgun knows that the problem isn't rate of fire, it's controlling the bitch and that a guy experienced with a pump can put aimed rounds on a target just as fast.

The pistol test was actually comparable, the same test for both shooters. The problem was that rather than judge the weapons on their quantifiable abilities they judged them based off their user's skill. Though you're really comparing two semi-auto nine millimeter pistols with one another. The only real advantage of the Baretta is an extra round in the stack. So there's not much differentiating them regardless.

The rifles, I can't complain about really. Both assault rifles at the ranges they tested them at are comparable. The sniper rifles, well the Druganov is a DMR at best and the M24 is a real sniper rifle. The right one won that one.

The ballistic knife vs. e-tool. Words cannot describe how stupid this was. In the "test" the e-tool just about decapitated the gel-torso. The ballistic knife was lethal, maybe, but only if you hit some area like the neck. It's ability to go through armor or clothing was negligable. There's also the little detail that it's a one shot weapon. After you use it, you're disarmed. Obviously they picked the ballistic knife as the winner because of portability (of course its more portable, the e-tool is a SHOVEL!) and range. They just glossed over the fact that it's a one shot deal.

The grenade "test" was just an excuse to have things go boom, there was no comparable data. Neither was the shotgun test. The special weapons had fanboys fawning over the "cool" weapon. The pistols and rifles all got a fair shake. In the end it was that fucking stupid shotgun "test" that determined the winner.

Then again Knight vs. Pirate had me primed for giving up on the show. I don't really expect fully scientific testing but at least get it up to Mythbuster's standards and don't ignore the evidence of your own tests.

[Sionnach Glic]

Wow, that's bad.

[Mark]

I wonder if there are a fair number of Deadliest Warrior bashers out there like us. The show COULD be friggin' awesome, if they used a more scientific method.

In the IRA vs Taliban, the edge was given to the AR-15 because (I can't remember the dudes name, but he's an engineer with a black belt and formar canadian military) he liked the feel of it better.

[Tyyr]

I've yet to see anyone actually stand up for their testing and rating methodology. That said there has to be enough people watching it to make it worth while for them to keep making it and putting it on.

[Mark]

To be honest, I'll likely keep watching it for another few episodes if only to bash them if they keep this up.

[Mikey]

Wait a minute - pump-action shotties are generally preferrable to SA or FA ones, because less-lethal, non-lethal, and breaching rounds don't generate enough backpressure to reliably cycle the action.

[Tyyr]

Like I said, they were idiots and that idiotic test was the swing point of the simulation to boot. I'm not a rabid Green Beret fanboy don't get me wrong, but the "testing" that determined the winner was so fucking awful that it had me chewing the scenery and still does.

Knight vs. Pirate was every bit as bad though.

[Lighthawk]

I still say the ballista is the stupiest thing they've done. Pistol vs tommy though...hell, my wife's gun knowledge is comprised entirely of things she's seen in shows and movies, and she thought that was pure bullshit.

They should let us do the show.

[Tyyr]

Yeah, including a fixed siege weapon was pretty stupid.

[Sionnach Glic]

What I'd really love is a show that takes two armies, and pits them in battle against each other. Caeser's Gallic veteran legions fighting against Alexander the Great's army that conquered the known world. Richard the Lionheart and his force from the Third Crusade against a force of Han Chinese soldiers under Cao Cao. The Mongols battling it out against the Huns.

I think that'd be a much more interesting show than just pitting two wanked-out individuals against each other.

[Captain Seafort]

Or, if they wanted a mano-a-mano scrap, they could at least do it properly.

Rambo versus John Matrix, for example.