What If Vader Had Survived?

[stitch626]

That's because...
1) The Jedi had had their collective heads up their asses for a long time at that point. They had become so removed from normal society that they considered themselves above the normals pretty much.
2) Like I pointed out before, the sand people are largely considered to be little more than animals. No one gives two shits about them.
3) They were in the middle of a serious war, of course they weren't going to make an issue or a fuss about one of their star players at that point. Politics saving a war hero's ass from the fire.

I'll agree on one and three fully.

As for two, this was a member of the Sand People that he told. Not genetically, but this Jedi at one point was with a tribe, and he still wore the tusken raider outfit. So to him, the sand people were not considered animals, but family. His logic (IIRC) was that since Anakin will remember his actions forever, no legal action was necessary.



As for the emotions... I'll drop it.

[Mark]

I may have missed something here, but I'd say while every man is responsible for his own actions, the INITIAL blame falls to the Jedi themselves. They allowed themselves to comprimise their own rules about training because a rebellious Jedi (Qui-Gon) fell fighting the Sith. Yoda called it....the boy was filled with fear and anger. It was CLEAR by the time of AotC that Anakin had anger issues and was reckless as hell. That all boils down to being unstable. In today's society he'd be in therepy at least. If you take a psychopath and TRAIN him how to kill, then give him a weapon......isn't the damage he inflicts your fault as well?

On the flip side, lets compare and contrast Anakin's and Luke's lives. Both are born and live part of their lives on Tat....Ani leaves at around 8 or 9, and Luke stays till he's around 20. Anakin is raised by a single mother, with both of them as slaves (thus laying the groundwork for deepseated anger), while Luke was raised in a loving home by his aunt and uncle who both loved him very much.

Could this have made such a difference? I'd say yes.

[Captain Seafort]

Could this have made such a difference? I'd say yes.

Not to mention the slight issue that Anakin had a Sith Master whispering ideas in his ear for over a decade.

[Mark]

Excellent point. Let's not forget Luke fell to the dark side as well, under the sway of Palpie's clone, for different reasons altogether but it just goes to show how influencial he was.

[Reliant121]

It might not have even needed much in the way of the force. A great wordsmith can turn anyone's will, given enough time and practice.

[Captain Seafort]

Agreed, and in the case of someone as powerful as Anakin Skywalker, use of the force could well have been counter-productive in tipping him off that something iffy was going on. However, as Sith Master Palpatine was the heir to a order that had spent the past thousand years refining manipulation and trickery to an art form, not through any use of the force but, as you say, through time and practice.

[Mark]

Do you suppose Palpie actually BELIEVED the stuff he was sprouting, or was all of it just a con job to sway Anakin?

[RK_Striker_JK_5]

Do you suppose Palpie actually BELIEVED the stuff he was sprouting, or was all of it just a con job to sway Anakin?

I think he did. He was the ultimate Sith at the time.

[Tyyr]

Which makes him one of the biggest damn liars in the galaxy.

[Nickswitz]

Which makes him one of the biggest damn liars in the galaxy.

Um... is this anything new?

[Tyyr]

No, but RK seems to think that he believed what he said because he was the ultimate Sith. However the Sith aren't exactly bastions of truth and Palpatine's entire career was built upon a mountain of lies. Believing anything he says is idiotic.

[RK_Striker_JK_5]

I think... wait. What was he supposed to be believing again? I think i got confused.

[Tyyr]

Did Palpatine believe all the crap that came spewing out of his mouth to Anakin.

[RK_Striker_JK_5]

Oh, okay. I doubt it. Some of it, about power and such. Then again, the guy's got a latinum tongue.

[Sionnach Glic]

I imagine quite a bit of what he was telling or implying to Anakin was BS, designed to lure him into defecting.