Worst ship design in sci-fi?

Jordanis · Post by **Jordanis** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:56 pm

Deepcrush wrote:Tie Defenders are AWSOME!

Tie Defenders are so broken in XWA it's not even funny. I made a scenario recently--Two VSDs on each side, two squads Tie/D one squad gunboats vs two squads A-Wings one squad B-Wings, but the rebels get three waves and the imps get two. Same level AIs on each side. The Imperial side never loses more than one or two Defenders to the complete obliteration of the rebels, but the point value of each side is nearly identical.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:50 am

TIE Defenders are the most advanced starfighter in SW... so advanced and expensive, it's prohibitive to mass-produce them.

TIEs can't seem to catch a break.

Jordanis · Post by **Jordanis** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:56 am

Oh yes, they're supposed to be awesome. Their power level in XWA was just about right. It's just that one Tie/D could take on three A-Wings, but you'd only get 3/2 as many points for killing a Tie/D as you would an A-Wing.

Since you use the point value of opposing forces to tell if they're balanced, putting defenders into the mix means that the imperial side will always beat a rebel side that's worth the same number of points. It's like a broken unit in a table-top wargame or something.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:20 am

I don't think I've ever played XWA. Actually... haven't played many SW games at all. My favorite's still the old arcade flyer, with the polygon graphics and Obi-Wan intoning, "Use the Force, Luke!"

Jordanis · Post by **Jordanis** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:45 am

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I don't think I've ever played XWA. Actually... haven't played many SW games at all. My favorite's still the old arcade flyer, with the polygon graphics and Obi-Wan intoning, "Use the Force, Luke!"

I don't think I remember that... unless you mean Star Wars Arcade, that also has the lightsaber battles and takes you through all three movies and is awesome?

Post by **Mikey** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:24 pm

Ah, youth. I remember the game, with the two flight-yoke handles with the firing studs...

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:37 pm

What is XWA?

Tie/D aren't broken! The best way to bring one down is just long range fire. I would like to see a B-wing vs a Tie/D. That would be a good fight.

You just don't like that the imps got something right.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:25 pm

X-Wing Alliance, I think.

And I think by 'broken' he means that the TIE/D is an excelent ship, but you don't get as many points as you should for killing one in the game.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:36 pm

I know what he meant by that, but I still don't think that they count as broken.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:02 pm

Okay then.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:04 pm

I think its a very well made fighter craft and I would love to see the empire come out with a few thousand of them!

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:58 pm

Jordanis wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I don't think I've ever played XWA. Actually... haven't played many SW games at all. My favorite's still the old arcade flyer, with the polygon graphics and Obi-Wan intoning, "Use the Force, Luke!"
I don't think I remember that... unless you mean Star Wars Arcade, that also has the lightsaber battles and takes you through all three movies and is awesome?

Nope. It was a sit-down booth. Mikey, I think, knows what I'm talking about. You do the Death Star battle from ANH.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:27 pm

I used to play that one with my father all the time!

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:46 pm

I think I remember that game. Was there the option for a 2 player mode?

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:48 pm

Yep, it was the best way to beat it to!