D'deridex-class Overview

[Mark]

I agree. There is no possible way to infer anything about the D'D from something that happened to a comparable class of ship from a completely different species. But to be fair, we don't KNOW what it was that actually sparked the Odyssey's destruction. Was it a result of a massive explosion coupled with existing battle damage? Was it the result of an existing design flaw in containment? Or was it just a lucky shot? We just don't have enough information to judge aside from Bug crashes into ship, blows a big hole in the deflector, a pause, then the ship explodes.

[Lt. Staplic]

even if it was purely battle damage of the three observed GCS distructions that's 1 for 3, not very good stats.

[Praeothmin]

The E-D was also destroyed by battle damage.
Don't forget that the Duras' ship was firing at the engineering hull, close to the Warp Core, so of course their full-strength hits will react with the Core...

[Aaron]

The E-D was also destroyed by battle damage.
Don't forget that the Duras' ship was firing at the engineering hull, close to the Warp Core, so of course their full-strength hits will react with the Core...

I actually think people are referring to the superstring and the incident with the Bozeman.

[Praeothmin]

Well, technicaly, it wasn't really destroyed since it continued appearing in the series afterwards...



But I see what you mean...

[Lt. Staplic]

the Enterprise was also distroyed countless times by the poor design/anomoly of the week.

[Mark]

Data: "Internal sensors indicate the paint on our left nacelle has been scratched. Engines are offline"

LaForge (over intercom): "Bridge, we have a coolant leak! Estimate three minutes till a warp core breach!"

Picard to Riker: "Merde. Not again."

Riker: "Well, as you said before sir. Plenty more letters in the alphabet."

[Lt. Staplic]

[Sionnach Glic]

The E-D was also destroyed by battle damage.
Don't forget that the Duras' ship was firing at the engineering hull, close to the Warp Core, so of course their full-strength hits will react with the Core...

Quite right, but we're also referring to all the times the E-D was destroyed, and then brought back by the anomaly of the week, or was nearly destroyed and saved only by a Deus Ex Machina solution.

[Captain Seafort]

Even the E-D's final loss was due to the warp core suffering minor damage and blowing up what appeared to be several hours later.

[Praeothmin]

Even the E-D's final loss was due to the warp core suffering minor damage and blowing up what appeared to be several hours later

It actually got destroyed directly due to the damage taken.
Look at the fight clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLSJzOzN ... L&index=20

The first four shots from the BoP were aimed directly at engineering.
The the E-D starts turning and gets hit directly on their port nacelle.
Still, the Warp Core seems to hold.

It is only after they get hit again on the aft section of engineering that they start having Warp Core problems, which culminate with a coolant breach seconds after they destroy the BoP.

[Captain Seafort]

It actually got destroyed directly due to the damage taken.

Not at all. Certainly the damage sustained resulted in the destruction of the ship, but not directly - that implies a disruptor shot blowing open an antimatter pod, or some such. If that had happened the BoP would have survived, and no one on the E-D would have. Instead there was damage to the core, including a coolant leak, leading to a breach. It's the usual story of the GCS core lacking backups and having a useless ejection system.

It is only after they get hit again on the aft section of engineering that they start having Warp Core problems, which culminate with a coolant breach seconds after they destroy the BoP.

"Hours" was probably an exaggeration, but so's "seconds". Geordi knew the core was going to breach a full five minutes before it did, but there was still no way of preventing it. Why couldn't they have ejected the core? Why couldn't they simply cut off the supply of antimatter so as to use up the supply already in the core, leaving the thing harmless? Why was there so much unspent antimatter in the core in the first place? The whole thing reeks of bad design.

[Praeothmin]

Certainly the damage sustained resulted in the destruction of the ship, but not directly - that implies a disruptor shot blowing open an antimatter pod, or some such. If that had happened the BoP would have survived, and no one on the E-D would have. Instead there was damage to the core, including a coolant leak, leading to a breach. It's the usual story of the GCS core lacking backups and having a useless ejection system

I see what you mean.
I thought you meant the damage received had nothing to do with the cause of the Core overload.
But you're right, the actual destruction of the E-D came from a coolant leak that was caused by attacks that barely damaged 10% of the ship...

"Hours" was probably an exaggeration, but so's "seconds". Geordi knew the core was going to breach a full five minutes before it did, but there was still no way of preventing it. Why couldn't they have ejected the core? Why couldn't they simply cut off the supply of antimatter so as to use up the supply already in the core, leaving the thing harmless? Why was there so much unspent antimatter in the core in the first place? The whole thing reeks of bad design.

What I meant was that the breach happened seconds after the destruction of the BoP.
I agree they should have had a core ejection mechanism, like Voyager and the E-E...

[Captain Seafort]

What I meant was that the breach happened seconds after the destruction of the BoP.

I know what you meant, I'm simply stating that you're wrong. The video you provided gives the false impression that the scene in engineering followed on directly from the scene on the bridge immediately following the BoP's destruction. It did not - there was some more stuff between the two, on the planet with Picard and Soran. I would say that the engineering scene occurred at least 10 minutes after the battle ended, to give the secondary explosions observed during the battle time to die down, and for Geordi to receive damage reports from his subordinates. I doubt he'd have reported to the bridge until he had at least a basic idea of what sort of damage the ship had sustained, and what the likely consequences of said damage was likely to be.

I agree they should have had a core ejection mechanism, like Voyager and the E-E...

They had one, it just never worked.

[Praeothmin]

I know what you meant, I'm simply stating that you're wrong. The video you provided gives the false impression that the scene in engineering followed on directly from the scene on the bridge immediately following the BoP's destruction. It did not - there was some more stuff between the two, on the planet with Picard and Soran.

I've always been under the impression that what we saw happen on the ships happened at the same time as what we saw on the ground, but because they couldn't split the screen in two, it was shown one after the other.

After all, It's hard to believe that Picard was beamed down, and then did nothing while the sisters were blasting the E-D to bits and pieces.
But I'll rewatch the DVD to get a better grasp of the entire sequence.

They had one, it just never worked.

Oh, ok, I thought they didn't have one and that it was a safety feature added on newer ships...