Morning rant on ST 11

[Aaron]

That's the thing - you want slavish adherence to canon, and I want a flashy new contemporary sci-fi film! Why did they use TOS? Because it's a classic premise that everyone is familiar with. If they had made a movie that was "Oh, let's introduce you to a fifth brand new crew in our convoluted continuity", it probably wouldn't have had the same appeal.

Lets be honest here. They chose TOS because they want to milk the cash cow and TOS presents the best opportunity to do so. As for the appearance of the Big E in the movie, I am long since past caring. I've been saying that this is a re-boot for a good while now and that's fine. I am kind of put off by the fact that Abrams Kirk looks more like an evil genius than a SF Captain but that's small potatoes. I'm not going to be wasting my cash on it at the theatre, I'm still planning on picking it up in the 5$ bin in a couple years ala NEM.

[Sonic Glitch]

Here's a thought. How about a TOS RE-remastered, with this ship inserted instead of the original? *braces for impact*

But then you'll have all the arguing and the b*tching and the moaning like "do the remastered count as canon?" etc. etc. or "do we treat it like star wars where whatever the extended FX sequence is was the way he meant it to be?"


This is TOS for the 21st Century. If it creates new canon, fine, if it violates the rest, it's not the end of the world. THIS IS A TV SHOW FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Does it really matter what the set looks like (in relation to a decades old version) so long as the story is good. (And reliant, i know you're answer, but then again, you're a fan of the eye candy. ) I at least am going to judge the movie on it's own merits. Is it a good story? Is it a good story appropriate for and told in the Trek style? Is this the start of something new? Etc. Etc. If we hold future Trek to what came before it, Trek is never coming back. There are too many things to contradict, to many ways to mess things up. Honestly, with the people arguing about canon and the new film, I feel like I've stepped into the gateworld.net Atlantis forum where at least 50% of the people complain about how the show is being ruined and yet continue to watch it week after week.

[Lazar]

They chose TOS because they want to milk the cash cow and TOS presents the best opportunity to do so.

That's true, but I want Star Trek to be successful again.

me,myself and I: Thank you! I couldn't have put it better.

[Aaron]

That's true, but I want Star Trek to be successful again.

Don't hold your breath, it's got a lot of baggage to overcome.

[Sonic Glitch]

That's true, but I want Star Trek to be successful again.

Don't hold your breath, it's got a lot of baggage to overcome.

{cough, gag, hack} Enterprise..part of Voyager{cough, hack, wheeze}...Does anyone have a Ricola?

[Graham Kennedy]

Hollywood has ALWAYS done remakes and reinterpretations. Should they have not made Magnificent Seven because of Seven Samurai? The Lord of the Rings story was done twice before Jackson got his hands on it. So was Narnia. Hell, even TOS was pitches as essentially "Wagon Train to the Stars" and drew heavily on Forbidden Planet. Batman and Superman have been done time and time again, the Hulk, and so on and so on. Hell, they even remade and reinterpreted Casablanca, for god's sake! And let's not even go to Star Wars, which somehow managed to be incredibly new and fresh whilst also being incredibly derivative and cliched.

Now some of those are hardly shining examples of why remakes are good. But some of them certainly are. I see no reason why Star Trek should be exempt from the idea of being reimagined and reinterpreted. Which this clearly is, no matter what those involved may say.

[Sonic Glitch]

Hell, they even remade and reinterpreted Casablanca, for god's sake!

Please tell me you're joking...

[Mark]

Has anyone seen the new Big E design? I've only seen it in the Weekly Poll.
Any thoughts?

I am only really bothered by the nacelles. The jet engine intake looks weird.

What IS that thing on the side of the secondary hull, facing us??? The docking bay or some such?

[Sonic Glitch]

Has anyone seen the new Big E design? I've only seen it in the Weekly Poll.
Any thoughts?

I am only really bothered by the nacelles. The jet engine intake looks weird.

What IS that thing on the side of the secondary hull, facing us??? The docking bay or some such?

Looks like hull detailng to me.

[Lazar]

What IS that thing on the side of the secondary hull, facing us??? The docking bay or some such?

You mean the shuttle that's approaching the ship?

[Mark]

Now, if they could just put on some flames......................

[stitch626]

As I said before, what really bothers me are the nacelles. Not only does the chrome ramscoop violate all canon including modern, it looks stupid. They look unnecessarily bulky and ugly.

Also, the aft section is too small. Even with a strong SIF, it would be subject to a lot of metal fatigue and unwanted stress during movement.

[Tsukiyumi]

What IS that thing on the side of the secondary hull, facing us??? The docking bay or some such?

You mean the shuttle that's approaching the ship?

I believe that is the object being referenced, yes. Some people may want to have their vision checked.

[Mark]

Has anyone seen the new Big E design? I've only seen it in the Weekly Poll.
Any thoughts?

I am only really bothered by the nacelles. The jet engine intake looks weird.

What IS that thing on the side of the secondary hull, facing us??? The docking bay or some such?

I'm talking about the thing in the secondary hull. You see the deflector. That thing just to the right of it, with the orange light on it. What the heck is that?

[Sonic Glitch]

Circled in Red is a shuttle craft. Circled in yellow is the area I referenced earlier as some sort of hull detailing.