Miranda vs Klingon Bird of Prey

[mlsnoopy]

versus fore-and-aft twin PT launchers, a pair of phaser cannon, and six standard twin phaser banks

Where did we get to see these weapons.

[Deepcrush]

TWoK.

[Captain Seafort]

The phaser cannon and torpedo launchers were seen in ST II. The standard phasers were seen on the model (identical in appearence and in the same places as the Connie's saucer arrays), and the fore-ventral phasers were seen firing in "Emissary" and (I think) during the Dominion war.

[mlsnoopy]

The phaser cannon

After I posted I remembered that. But my first thought was that you ment PPC. Thats why I aked.

[Mikey]

Assuming we're talking about the cruiser BoP (which is the only one for which this comparison makes sense,) I'd have to say with a heavy heart the BoP. I'd guess it is a more robust and martial design, judging on nothing but the fact that the BoP seems to be by DS9 and aging but still widely-fielded front-line ship - the most common in the Klingon civil war in TNG - while the Miranda seems to be used more out of desperation for numbers than any real belief in its abilities. By the Dom War, the Mirandas seemed to be able to do nothing so well as blow up, while the BoP's were seen to be used as true fleet-fillers.

[Teaos]

To be fair we never see the Miranda really fight in DS9, all we see is it dying. If we ever got a chance to see it in a proper fight this would be much easier to judge.

[Mikey]

That's part of what I'm referring to. We see it involved in a lot of action, but all it seems to do is blow up.

[Bryan Moore]

Great topic, no clue how I never noticed this. Miranda vs. Scout would result in Miranda victory. Miranda vs. Kvort you're looking at a Kvort win. We really need to figure out just how many BoP types there are.

[Sionnach Glic]

Agreed.

[Mark]

I recently saw a diagram on some website or other of a BoP shaped 1 man fighter. I actually think that design could work, with the "head" serving as the cockpit. The only thing I disagree with was keeping the photon torpedeos. IMHO you would either need to remove them all together, or downgrade them to micro-torps.

[Mikey]

It would be awfully unbalanced for atmospheric use, and would create terrible turbulence pockets in the angles of the wings.

[Grundig]

I think the Miranda would have a decent chance against some of the older types. I see the BoP as a multi-use chassis on which upgrades are made based (at least partly) on the hierarchical standing of the house that controls the ship. L'ursa and Bet'or (or however you spell their names) had their own fleet in TNG, for example. The challenge with answering this question of 1 vs the other is that Trek's battles often go one way or the other just because of who's captaining (and to a lesser extent, crewing) each ship. Good guy usually wins, etc.

[Sionnach Glic]

I recently saw a diagram on some website or other of a BoP shaped 1 man fighter. I actually think that design could work, with the "head" serving as the cockpit. The only thing I disagree with was keeping the photon torpedeos. IMHO you would either need to remove them all together, or downgrade them to micro-torps.

Meh, could work, but it wouldn't be a great design.

[Captain Seafort]

I assume it's based on the 28m BoP in "Way of the Warrior". Graham's got it up as the "K'Pak class", and has hedged on the larger side to make it a 35m corvette.

[Sionnach Glic]

Ah, I see.