Perhaps borg don't need to breathe? (If they do have a KE shield this would make sense as otherwise they'd suffocate.)(although they seem to be able to operate in a vacuum, but that may not be the shield)
Your attitude seems to boil down to one of "the Borg must have fought against projectile weapons at some point, and they're still around" and "the Federation can't be that stupid". I can sympathise with both, but unfortunately the on-screen evidence does not indicate Borg drones possesing kinetic shields.DBS wrote:The best evidence for the Borg having personal KE shields is severalfold, though.
1.) The Borg may well have encountered projectile weapons in the past, and thus may already have adaptations to them. (speculative, I know, but bear with me)
2.) The Federation has the amazing TR-116, a projectile weapon.
3.) These weapons can be replicated, and people with knowledge of the weapon have in fact fought against the Borg. (Worf)
Given the assumption that Starfleet is not stupid, and that when they are desperate to find any way to stop the Borg (including hand-to-hand), someone would have suggested trying them. The only explanation I can give without violating my assumption is that for some reason projectile weapons do not work well against the Borg, at least no better than energy weapons or fists. Moreover, after Picard had his tommy-gun success, why did he not attempt to replicate them for the crew if they would work in the future?
Pretty big assumption!Given the assumption that Starfleet is not stupid
You have a good point there, IMO this just further points to a Dune-like shield that blocks high velocity KE impacts, but not low velocity impacts.Snip
Tell me about it! A little consistency wouldn't be too much to ask for would it?OI
Good point.Captain Seafort wrote:If you think no-one would ever be that stupid to rely on such tactics, consider the 1st July 1916.
But no one they encounter has what you would consider a well equipped ground force, either. I don't know if that speaks well or poorly of Trek, but it makes no sense that NO ONE seems to have one if it is so important!Captain Seafort wrote: On the second, Federation ground equipment is notoriously poor - they have no artillery, no armour, no machine-guns or equivalent, no body armour (not even helmets!).
The TR-116 was intended to fill in for phasers in situations where they could be dampened.
Was it not built as a sniper weapon?We've also heard that ground troops need to provide covering fire for them!as have we heard about "hoppers" which move personnel from one battlefield location to another.
I think the scope and transporter were added on by the murderer.Rochey wrote:The TR-116 was intended to fill in for phasers in situations where they could be dampened.
We've also heard that ground troops need to provide covering fire for them!as have we heard about "hoppers" which move personnel from one battlefield location to another.
And the fact that no one else has a competent ground force should be more reason to use combined arms tactics.
Ok, thanks. I hadn't seen that episode in a while.I think the scope and transporter were added on by the murderer.
Perhaps the transporter would be to vulnerable to jamming?Like I have been surmising, I think that there must be a good reason for no one to do this
I call them silly when they don't crank up the power on their phasers and just blow through whatever cover their enemy is using!I just think that it is silly to call characters stupid just because they don't react like we would.
I don't necessarilly mean KE weapons - aside from the fact that we haven't seen anything other than (badly designed) handguns, SMG-equivalents and rifle-equivalents in TNG, DS9 or Voyager, a phaser with big cooling fins and a big powerpack/generator would be an improvement on the stuff they use.DBS wrote:But does the Federation actually need this stuff? You yourself are working under the assumption that projectile (or even automatic) weapons are superior to what Starfleet uses. The TR-116 was intended to fill in for phasers in situations where they could be dampened. This problem seems to have been corrected, so the design was dropped.
We have seen a photon grenade mortar in TOS, as have we heard about "hoppers" which move personnel from one battlefield location to another. Is a tank really necessary when a hand phaser can supposedly level a building?
What was his mental state?(and the claim from Riker about levelling half a building is dubious given his mental state at the time)
Hell, a phaser that dosen't break when you hit someone with it wold be an improvement!a phaser with big cooling fins and a big powerpack/generator would be an improvement on the stuff they use.
It was in Frame of Mind - he'd been captured on some planet, and was being interrogated with some pretty strong drugs, so his mind was hopping about all over the place to try and resist this. Bottom line is that at the time he claimed a phaser could destroy half a building he was unconcious, appearing to be in a mental institution he had never been outside, and so could not know the size of. On top of this he had appeared in the build (with phaser) from a similarly imaginary Enterprise, having shot himself with said phaser. The possibility that he was plain bonkers cannot be ruled out.Rochey wrote:What was his mental state?(and the claim from Riker about levelling half a building is dubious given his mental state at the time)
In the TNG episode "The Vengeance Factor" when they are fighting the Gatherers.DBS wrote:
Well, sometimes (when they have Data to remind them that they can, you know, damage things with their phasers other than the Bad Guys...)
Hell, a phaser that dosen't break when you hit someone with it wold be an improvement!
